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Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/01/2008 8:36 AM  

Thanks to Sam's post on Ear Vasculitis, I started a little research project of my own, as Katie had similar symptoms.  In fact, Sam and I have shared emails, and it turns out that Katie and Mo have had almost the exact same symptoms.  Upon reading that ear vasculitis has now become a breed associated problem with Jack Russells (and though we all know Ratties are NOT JRT, they are cousins on the family tree) , my suspicions that this was Katie's problems grew.

Here are some of the symptoms both Mo and Katie displayed:

  • Hair loss on the ear tips that then extends down the ear
  • Skin lesions - reddish brown scabs sometimes in clusters
  • Small (tear) on the ear tip that scabbed and sloughed off .  (Both Sam and I thought at first this was a nip from playing with our other dog) Tears and dying skin can occur all along the ear tips and ear margins.
  • Ears are not itchy

Sam's vet first diagnosed ringworm, then ear margin dermatitis.  Sam then took Mo to the Vet School at Illinois, where he was diagnosed with ear vasculitis.

I took Sam's information and my research from the internet and Katie to my vet.  (actually I saw my normal vet's partner).  He examined Katie, took my literature and retired to his office to do some research of his own.  Quite some time later he returned with his medical books and a photograph that looked exactly like Katie's ear. Diagnosis in that case was vasculitis.  My vet feels confident that this is ear vasculitis, but wants to go ahead and biopsy Katie's ears in the next few days for a definitive diagnosis.  I will post the results of that biopsy when I have them.

What exactly is ear vasculitis?  It is a disease resulting in reduced blood flow which actually causes the skin on the affected ear to die and slough off.  It also causes the hair follicle to die, resulting in alopecia (hair loss) on the ears.  If left untreated, large areas of the dogs ear margins can die and leave notched ears.  Vasculitis can also attack the mouth, the face, the footpads and the tail.  So far, Katie's is limited to her ears, as I understand is Mo's.

Fortunately, it sounds like both Mo's and Katie's condition has been caught early and we can keep the ears from becoming permanently disfigured.  Ear vasculitis can also be a sign of systemic problems (i.e. auto-immune, bacterial, fungal, etc).  Katie had bloodwork that has all come back normal and the ear biopsy will help indicate if there are any autoimmune changes.

According to Mo's vet and Katie's vet treatment can consist of a drug called pentoxifylline, or a drug called dapsone, along with predisone and ointment.  Sometimes antibiotics if sores have bacterial infection.

Below are photos of Katie's ears:

At the onset of the problem  (lesions were                Even though lesions improved, hair loss 

helped using steroidal and antibiotic cream                 continued to worsen

1 2

New lesion formed recently (note it appears as a small tear. we first                                                     thought this was a little nip from playing with Dixie)

3

 

I am forever indebted to sjwinfrey (Sam) for posting about this diagnosis.  I believe we will find that this is the same condition Katie is suffering from.  This site is such a wealth of information.  I hope this may help someone else who may have a pup suffering from unexplained sores and hair loss.


Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com


Maureen


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
04/01/2008 8:39 AM  
Is this something like leprosy?

Maureen Mom to Abby, Barkley and Reggie..and cat Sarah Jane

Scratch a dog and you'll find a permanent job. ~Franklin P. Jones

Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/01/2008 8:44 AM  
Posted By Maureen on 04/01/2008 8:39 AM
Is this something like leprosy?



I believe leprosy is caused by a bacterial infection.  This is an inflammation of the capilarries which decreases blood flow. It is not contagious


Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com


swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
04/01/2008 8:49 AM  
Wow, jan, that is interesting! I hope the results sort things out for you. Jack has no hair on the base of his tail and his ears are similar...you all got me thinking now too!! Thanks for sharing.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
04/01/2008 8:50 AM  

Just an FYI, high dose fish oils may be an option for increasing blood flow and if it is that I would see about a drug called Pentoxyphylline (sp?). Fairly new to dogs, used alot in humans, and is is a great drug for increasing vascular flow.


Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



DaisysMom


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04/01/2008 8:55 AM  
I'm glad that both Mo and Katie at least have a correct diagnosis, and hopefully the treatment will work well and quickly and there will be no spreading.

This place truly is so informative. You never know when what you read may one day apply to you and your dog, so I try and keep up with everyone who posts about conditions such as this and the other recent post about tonsillitis - which I had no idea dogs could even get!

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/01/2008 8:55 AM  
Posted By swatson6 on 04/01/2008 8:50 AM

Just an FYI, high dose fish oils may be an option for increasing blood flow and if it is that I would see about a drug called Pentoxyphylline (sp?). Fairly new to dogs, used alot in humans, and is is a great drug for increasing vascular flow.



Yes, Sarah, Pentafoxylline is one of the drugs used.   Vasculitis can be caused by autoimmune problems ( Jack??)


Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com


amletpumpkin


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/05/2008 12:54 PM  
jan, does katie have hair loss or scabbing anywhere else on her body? pumpkins ears look a lot like this, but she also has hair loss on her hip which we are trying to treat her for. she's on a fungal treatment, and an antibiotic. wow, i'm glad i saw this. i really think we need to print this out and talk to her vet about it.
Azrats


Obsessed
Obsessed
04/05/2008 1:04 PM  
Wow! Camper has been having ear and nose issues for almost a year, it doesn't seem to fit this as his is itchy and improves randomly. But I will have my vet look at this, his is nose and ear.

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We realize how small we are
If they could love like you and me
Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback
For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper
Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/05/2008 3:36 PM  

Some things I've learned about vasculitis in dogs:

1.  It can appear on other areas.  These are usually the face, the mouth, the tail, feet and foot pads.  I suppose it could appear on the hips. 

2.  It is not itchy.  It looks a lot like sarcoptic mange (scabies) but the big difference is that scabies is itchy - vasculitis is not.

3.  It is breed associated with JRT's (as mentioned in earlier post)

4.  Besides hair loss, there are lesions, which can be cluster like and then the skin on the ear margins can begin to die (looking like an injury with a scab) and slough off.

5.  The only definitive way to know is with an ear biopsy.  I have learned from sjwinfrey that the vet at the vet college was 99% sure and so did not do a biopsy --- we (my vets and I, debated back and forth).  An ear biopsy is not dangerous, but it will make KS's ears sore -- but then, the lesions, when bad, make her ears sore.  Since she is only two, we decided to go ahead and get a definite answer. 

6.  I think my vet is going to consult with sjwinfrey's vet at the vet college (if he is open to talking to my vet) and give us more info regarding how well treatment works.

7.  Katie will have her biopsy on April 16, as soon as I return from my sister's surgery.  I will post the results the minute I know something.  This may help many of us who have concern about this disease. 

8.  Vasculitis is not common in dogs, though it is seen more often in Jacks (thus it could also been seen in Ratties)


Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com


garyjena


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
04/05/2008 8:47 PM  
This is some awesome info. I will definitely keep an eye out because Geigh has alot of skin issues.

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Ratterific
Ratterific
10/04/2008 1:04 PM  
Thank you so much for posting this!! My baby has had these scabs on her ears for a while now they've been spreading to her body, her vet said it was probably just scabby from bug bites
I've tried grain free food because my mom thought that was probably allergies but no real relief for her ears (poop is much better though!)
I'm totally going to a NEW vet and going to ask them to please look for this! Thank you for the post and the pictures!!!

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Ollie's Mom


Ratterific
Ratterific
10/06/2008 3:31 PM  
Ok, I know you mentioned the face. Ollie has these weird scab places at the corners of his eyes. I wonder if this could be the problem?
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