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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 4:44 PM |
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Ok, just got off the phone with the vet and my head is going to pop! I need to process all this info and figured you all might be able to help. Ok, first off all we brought Mic into the vet a couple days ago because his behavior has just gotten unexplainable. He's aggressive in odd situations, we had been working on his training and he's great and then BAM, right back to awful, then sweet as a cutie patootie. We were confused. So when we took him to the vet we knew either A. it was health related or B. we have to get a bahaviorist.
Well the vet checked him out, did a bunch of tests. And then called me today with the results. Help me figure all this out if you can, I have to go to the vets after work or tomorrow to pick stuff up and ask any questions I may have...
1. He has bad feet allergies. He might be in pain which is why he constantly jumps up at us on long walks. Prescription antihystomine needed.
2. He has low thyroid levels. His bloodwork came back .7 and she believes it should never be under 1. The most possible reason is his glands are not funcitoning properly, which would explain behavioral changes, tired a lot (which he is), always cold (yep), and over weight (well....) They are putting him on hormone meds to try and correct this.
3. He has acute pancreatitis. His lypase levels are off and kidney enzymes are elevated. His eyedrops could be a problem, but wouldn't cause the entire problem, for now stay normal with the drops, but we may have to cut back for his overall health. This could also add to the behavior problem. He needs to be on a specific diet of a food called ID (prescrip. only)
After 3 weeks of all this, they want to do more bloodwork and tests and see where he is at that point and will decide what else needs to be done.
thoughts??? my head and heart just hurt right now.... how bad is this??? I know, I'm going to talk to the vet again, I was just so overwhelmed all I could do was write it all down, couldn't think of questions.... |
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treble02

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| 03/24/2008 5:01 PM |
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omg...how overwhelming! I cant imagine how much your head is spinning....I have never had to deal with any health issues with mine other than parvo and a bloddy toenail so I am no help other than support! Doesnt sound too too serious, from what little i know. Hopefully not! You will certainly be in my thoughts and prayers with the micster! hopefully someone else has better advice or info! |
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Gari-AnnTX

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| 03/24/2008 5:04 PM |
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Allergies should be controlled easily with the antihystomine. That's what humans take, too, so I'm sure he'll be feeling better on that account. Thyroid issues in animals is not as uncommon as some people think. I have thyroid issues too. The meds shouldn't be expensive for him and should really make a difference. It's basically hormone replacement because his body isn't making enough thyroid hormone. I don't know anything about the other. But it sounds like the poor guy has a lot going on...no wonder he's not been feeling well. I hope it all works out! |
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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 5:06 PM |
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I know! I think I just need to break this down into one thing at a time.... I am totally overwhelmed by this! I just wanna go home and snuggle with the micster until it all goes away When they throw one problem at me, I just research like crazy until I understand it... I don't know where to start with all this.... |
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malta blue

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| 03/24/2008 5:06 PM |
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Wow - poor you and poor Mic. I really have no advice, but I am so sorry that you and your baby are dealing with this. |
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DaisysMom

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| 03/24/2008 5:34 PM |
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| Oh, Kim! I'm sorry - that does all sound a bit overwhelming. Hopefully the vet will be able to help solve some of these issues and get him to a more healthy state and that in turn will help his behavior! Keep us posted. |
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ladyfern

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| 03/24/2008 5:55 PM |
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I'm so sorry to hear all of this Kim, I'll be keeping you, Kevin and Mic in my thoughts and prayers. I think you said it best yourself, you start by writing it all down then one by one research like crazy. All at once is overwhelming but if you take it one symptom at a time you'll get through all of this. The hormones alone would be enough to trigger behaviors and if his feet hurt I understand why he wouldn't want long walks... I'll be thinking lots of good thoughts for you all. Please keep us posted. We love you! |
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tiggarat

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| 03/24/2008 5:55 PM |
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Kim - no wonder you're overwhelmed! Mic has so many things going on. Buddy was on thyroid meds for awhile. It really helped him in so many ways, even behavior...he wasn't quite as grumpy with the other dogs. And he had more energy, his skin wasn't as dry, his coat was shiny again, and he lost some weight. Keep us posted on how Mic is doing. |
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swatson6

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| 03/24/2008 6:27 PM |
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| Poor Mic!! I am so sorry Kim. I hope the meds help him out. I just want to add that I would always keep immune issues in the back of your mind. He has an autoimmune eye disease, right? Alot of times dogs have more than one autoimmune disease simply because the immune system is not working correctly. After researching to death just about everything possible with Jack, I can say that all those problems could be caused by a malfunctioning immune system. I am not trying to scare you, I just want you to be informed. So it may be worth mentioning to your vet just to keep an eye out for any more signs. Keep us posted and give Mic lots of hugs and kisses!!! |
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gwacie

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| 03/24/2008 6:49 PM |
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| Poor Mic, he isn't feeling too good 'eh? I hope you get it worked out soon. |
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Caesar & Julia's mom

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| 03/24/2008 7:44 PM |
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Poor Mic!!! Give him extra kisses from me, Julia and Caesar!!! Just take it one day at a time, hope he gets to feeling better soon! |
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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 7:53 PM |
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Well, talked to the vet receptionist with the cost... not as bad as I thought for that part! He needs a months worth of everything, then we bring him back for new bloodwork. Soloxine Chlortheniramine Maldate ID food total = $51.98 |
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NIckle's Mom

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| 03/24/2008 7:59 PM |
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| Our Lab was on soloxine most of his adult life. We didn't have to change his food though. Thyroid problems in dogs is common. Hopefully everything levels for Mic and he is back to his old self soon. |
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rattytatty

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| 03/24/2008 8:40 PM |
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Kim... I just read this and wow.... I'm overwhelmed. I don't know much at all about medical terminologies and what everything means. I do have a friend whose sheltie has acute pancreatitis and it is controllable, so be thankful for that. Much of it can be controlled through diet. When you talk to the vet again, ask him to talk to you so you can understand everything, and specifically what the future holds. Sounds like much of this can be treatable, which is good ! Stay positive... hug Mic tight... say your prayers (as I will be...)... and did I say... stay positive? Good vibes being sent your way from Tennessee, lady! PLEASE keep us posted !! We're all concerned too... Mic is one of ours. |
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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 8:41 PM |
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thanks all! I'm going to be talking to the vet again tomorrow because my sister (pharmacy tech) is able to get the meds for a lot cheaper so that's good news! I'm going to bring up his immune issues again and see if that's a possible cause or something, I mean, she knows about his immune and eyes, but really didn't mention it today... It's funny, I actually have this site to thank for finding out his issues! It was here that I learned if your dog has behavioral issues, bring them to the vet first! I never knew that before reading it here It's funny, you read something awhile ago, and when an issue comes up that thread just pops into your mind! So really, thank you guys!!!! |
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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 8:44 PM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 03/24/2008 8:40 PM
Kim... I just read this and wow.... I'm overwhelmed. I don't know much at all about medical terminologies and what everything means. I do have a friend whose sheltie has acute pancreatitis and it is controllable, so be thankful for that. Much of it can be controlled through diet.
When you talk to the vet again, ask him to talk to you so you can understand everything, and specifically what the future holds. Sounds like much of this can be treatable, which is good ! Stay positive... hug Mic tight... say your prayers (as I will be...)... and did I say... stay positive?
Good vibes being sent your way from Tennessee, lady! PLEASE keep us posted !! We're all concerned too... Mic is one of ours.
that's exactly what the vet said! That's why she wants him off the regular dog food. She said that's great that he was eating EVO, but it may just be to much for his kidneys to process. After 1 month, he gets all the tests again.... I hope I can make it a whole month!! I'm a wreck! but, he's not so bad that it can't be controlled.
Mic is definitely getting lots and lots and lots of hugs and kissies tonight!!!! |
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cjay

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| 03/24/2008 8:55 PM |
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Kim, So sorry to hear Mic is feeling poorly! It does sound overwhelming, but also very hopeful that with diet and meds its controllable. We'll be praying for Mic and you and Kevin. Give Mic an extra hug from us too! |
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buttonbutt

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| 03/24/2008 9:14 PM |
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Gee, I'd be overwhelmed, too, Kim. Poor little Mic! And poor little Kim! But it's good to know there's a medical reason for his recent behavioral changes. Hopefully the special diet and meds will do the trick. I'm not familiar with ID prescription diet. Had a dachsie once with kidney problems (diabetes insipidis) that required KD and only had 30% pancreatic functions (due to adhesions) that required PD. He was on a 50:50 mix of the two for the rest of his life from age 3 on (he lived to be 17). The special foods are expenive but usually do what they were designed to do. They're our babies, so we gotta do what we gotta do. Hopefully the thyroid meds they're trying will address those imbalances. Funny thing, we were just talking about thyroid problems on another forum a couple weeks ago and all the aggression issues and seizures some dogs have with thyroid problems. I hope Mic is feeling a bit better after a couple days on meds and special diet. |
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tauney4

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| 03/24/2008 10:07 PM |
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| i am so so so sorrry he is not feeling well, i hate when they dont feel well cause they cant talk and tellyou what it wrong...tauney says she is crossing her paws and i have my fingers crossed |
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kimrose

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| 03/24/2008 10:19 PM |
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Peggy, it may have been PD, I could have just misheard... I was kinda fuzzy on the phone! Man, you should see all the spoiling Mic is getting right now... Me and Kevin made him his favorite dinner (chicken and rice) before he has to start on his new diet.... and Kevin is babying him more than I think he ever has!! So much for his training tonight, Kevin is cuddled up with him on the couch (we were training him to stay off the furniture to help with his aggression issues) |
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Susan

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| 03/25/2008 12:29 AM |
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| I had a mixed cocker that had foot allergies, he couldn't walk on grass at all. he would chew his feet a whole lot and that did not help either, but he did it cause they itched so bad. Antihistamines helped the cocker a lot and he did not chew his feet as much either. I put boots on him for walks to protect his feet from the grass. You could try boots too, if poor Mic's feet are tender from the allergies the boots would protect them from the rough paths and such. |
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erniebenernie

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| 03/25/2008 12:40 AM |
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Kim-Just saw this and feel so bad for Mic. I hope after all the recommendations, his behavior and discomfort are improved. Poor little guy. Keep us posted for sure on how he's doing. He just might get spoiled better. We could only hope it would be that easy huh? Thoughts are with you. |
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lynnygal

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| 03/25/2008 12:54 AM |
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Wow Kim, very sorry to hear about Mic......sure hope the vet gets him on the right meds so he can start to feel better and have his conditions under control..... Lynn |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 03/25/2008 10:37 AM |
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| whoa, just reading all this, I'm so sorry Mic is going through this! It does sound like everything is treatable though so that's a good thing. |
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kimrose

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| 03/25/2008 11:01 AM |
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thanks guys!! Just taking it day by day I know its not that bad, and its all treatable with diet and meds, but it still feels like a rock in my stomache... ya know, he's my baby! So today we have to go pick up all of his meds and new food. Plus he needs a new bag of his old food (all out!) because we have to mix the 2. I'm just wondering about treats? Forgot to ask the vet that. I wonder if I should not be giving him certain ones? I don't know, I was just up all night over thinking everything! |
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swatson6

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| 03/25/2008 11:29 AM |
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| I did quickly look up pancreatitis Kim and it said it can be painful and very well be the cause of his changes in mood. I would ask the vet about treats. Definately stay away from anything fatty or high in protein for now. |
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doecart

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| 03/25/2008 11:38 AM |
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Poor Micster ... Hopefully the meds and new food will do wonders!!! |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 03/25/2008 11:44 AM |
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Kim,
How old of a dog is Mic?
Feet allergies could mean contact allergies. Do you use that powered carpet refresher stuff that you sprinkle? Or have you just had new carpeting put down? When I first got Sasha, she had HORRIBLE feet - red, raw and bloody, and I just had new carpeting put down. I had it steam cleaned to get out all that horrible new carpet crap out of it, and it made a huge difference. I also noticed that Sasha's feet got bad when I used that carpet fresh stuff, so I stopped using that.
Sasha had chronic pancreatitis. It can cause a LOT of pain to them. I started home cooking her food - she was literally fat free and almost 100% protein free. It helped a lot. I'm not a big fan of Hills Science Diet, so I chose to home cook her food.
Sasha had thyroid issues - but hers were high, not low. With high levels, she was extremely agitated, aggressive, huge appetite and wandered a lot. Exactly the opposite of what the low levels do to them. The meds she was on worked great, but we had a terrible time trying to keep her balanced. I had Sasha's bloodwork done almost monthly. She was on soloxine, I believe, for her thyroid issues.
I know it seems like a lot, but everything you've mentioned is treatable. It just may take some time to put everything back into balance.
Good luck and keep us posted!! 
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alice4512

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| 03/25/2008 11:48 AM |
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Kim,
Best wishes to Micster, these little dogs are so amazing that sometimes we hurt and worry more than them! Just take it step by step with the vet and write down all your questions as you think of them so you can bring them with you when you go. Ask as much as you need to! I have full faith Mic is going to be a healthy dog and hopefully well behaved to boot!! |
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