BETTYLOO35
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| 03/13/2008 8:52 PM |
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hi all our puppy amos is recovering from giardia we almost lost him about 10 days ago. as you can see in the photo (he is the little one) he is doing well. can you tell me is the vaccine for this extra or is it included in the normal shots that they get. i have never seen anything except parvo suck the life out of a puppy so quickly. we had to do sub q fluids and antibiotic we have the best vet in the workd he never gave up. |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 03/13/2008 8:55 PM |
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| i have never heard of what your puppy had? what is it and how do they contact it? |
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winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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| 03/13/2008 8:57 PM |
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| Isn't that the stuff they can get from being in filthy conditions after they are born? Did you see where he came from? |
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/13/2008 9:01 PM |
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| the vet said it is like a virus that they get from lick and sniffing everything out side but it is in the feces of carriers and it causes them to dehydrate and they cannot absorb nutrients. within 3 days he was close to death. bloody stool vomiting. it was horrid i cryed. we went to our regular vet and he gave us antibiotics sent us home overnight it was so much worse so i called them back and they were out of town it was so bad i called 5 vets and finally got him in where we go now. he said if i had waited we would have lost him. all this in 3 days. it acts like parvo but it isnt. |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 03/13/2008 9:01 PM |
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| what ever it is it doent sound pretty |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 03/13/2008 9:02 PM |
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| YIKES!!!!! |
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/13/2008 9:03 PM |
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| yes he came from a clean place the vet said that another dog could have came into our yard and had it. my puppy was in contact and got it that way we have an older dog andy who is 4 and he did not get it. |
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/13/2008 9:05 PM |
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| i checked online there is a vaccine i am going back to the vet saturday for his check up i am going to question him about this it was horrid and i would never want anyone else to to through it. it is contagoius through contact (by mouth) contaminated water ponds feces ect. |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/13/2008 9:13 PM |
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| Me toooo i wanted to warn you all so you would not have to go through it. i noticed he was just not himself the first day not sick just not himself. the next day he wouldnt eat of drink and lethargic. by the third day vomiting and bloody diarriah. it was 7 days before he could hold anything down thank goodness i found my vet. poor baby lived on sub q fluids and antibiotics for tow days. then he was ravenous. it seemed this suff came out of the blue. but did not bother our older one at all. strange |
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Lucy's Colleen
Bratty Ratty
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| 03/13/2008 9:13 PM |
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| Lucy had giardia when she was a pup too. Not that bad though. I think she got it from her puppy training class. Basically they can get it from contact with any sort of animal poo that is contaminated. People can get it as well. |
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Colleen
Flickr account:
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agfarinas
Rattie
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| 03/13/2008 9:14 PM |
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oh no! thank goodness he's okay!  |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 03/13/2008 9:20 PM |
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| wow i would have never known all this.....i really appreciate all this info |
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/13/2008 9:21 PM |
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| Im wondering if it effects mostly puppies. do you know colleen? |
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gwacie
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 03/13/2008 10:15 PM |
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| Poor little one. The Peanut had severe Giardia, Coccidia, hook worms, tape worms and who knows what else (complete with bloody stools and vomiting etc). He was skin and bones when he got here. Much better now. Hope your pup is well soon. |
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gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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Ski
Ratastic
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| 03/13/2008 10:37 PM |
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How did your vet know it was giardia? Supposedly it is very hard to detect. I've read that if treated with antibiotics that it sometimes comes back. Apparently the best way to treat it is with Panacur.
The giardia vaccine is usually not recommended, as it is minimally effective and can cause side effects. Generally, giardia is not life threatening, responds to treatment, and most dogs with it don't display the symptoms. The symptoms are:
Intermittent loose stools (most dogs have this and it can happen to puppies).
Will not gain weight
Poor appetite
Some dogs will eat but keep losing weight
Graze on grass excessively
Gassy
I would highly recommend you start giving your little one probiotics. He needs to replenish his good bacteria in his digestive tract after taking antibiotics or he will be more susceptible to digestive issues or yeast infections. |
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Rowdy's Mom
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| 03/13/2008 11:35 PM |
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As Ski aleady commented, the Giardia vaccine isn't always effective. I gave it to one of my dogs once, but won't have them vaccinated against it any more. It won't neccessarily stop them from contacting giardia, and giardia, while it isn't fun, is normally fairly easy to treat. Recently Sam was having issues with some diarhea and the vet suggested she may have giardia, but they needed to test for it. The test was going to be pricey and, either way, she was going to prescribe the same treatment. I spared myself the test and just got the antibiotics. Sam is just fine now. (And Sam is the one who had the giardia vaccine- not that long ago...by the same vet. She even told me the vaccine wasn't always effective.)
I'd rather not over vaccinate, especially if it's a vaccine that may or may not work. |
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~Chrys~ Mom to Rowdy, Schatzi (shephard mix), and Sam (lab mix)
http://www.myspace.com/rowdyluvsschatzi
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braeli_bryson
Terrier Terror
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| 03/14/2008 7:39 AM |
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OMG!!! poor liil guy (and por you!)... is he doing better now?
puupues have weak immune systems,... not fully developed immunes... they can get anything rather eassily...
does he have all his shots? my vet told me there are basic vaccs in the shots... but ther are about 25 more that are not usually
given unless requested or neccessary! I could not imagine going through that! I am a tough "macho" guy but not with my lil guys!! !they are my children!!!
It would break me down! |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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lacollins
Rattie
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| 03/14/2008 11:18 AM |
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| My puppy is just getting over gairdia as well. Not as bad though. She was eating and drinking and very playful but has loose mucusy stool with a little blood. Took 2 fecal exames to find it. Giardia is a water born parasite. Comes from drinking contaminated water or coming in contact with another dog stool that have it. Once they have it, they will always have it. Antibiotics will treat it but they can have reacurring bouts if they are stressed or as they get old. Some dogs can be carriers with no symtoms. It is important that you disinfect their poop area because it can live several weeks in the cold. I lysoled the house, washed her bedding and gave her a good bath after treating her. She poops in the patio so I took a garden sprayer and mixed 1 cup bleach to 1 gallon water and sprayed the patio. Let sit 10 minutes and rinse off with water. Lysol and bleach kill this parasite. I did a lot of research on this. The vet gave her a 5 day course of Metro aintibiotic but I have read it is only 60% effective. She seems fine now but I have read that panacur(which you can by over the counter as a dewormer works really well) you are suppose to give them the treatment as prescribe on the box then wait 10 days. Divide the regular dose into 10 day dosage and readminister it over 10 days to kill the entire cycle. If Dora gets another bout, I will try this method. Also very important to give them probiotics. I just use some yogurt in the morning and evening to help put good bacteria in the system. Does wonders. Hope the little one gets better soon! |
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BETTYLOO35
Ratterific
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| 03/16/2008 10:32 AM |
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The vet did a few tests and a fecal test and thats how we knew what Amos had. Yesterday we went for our check up and he is 110% doc said he can recovered with no lasting effects and went ahead with his vaccinations. Im happy to say Amos is back and so full of energy he is keeping me from my housework. We have also bonded even more than before my hubby even noticed that I am not allowed to be out of his site for more than a minute. Im happy happy. He has gained a pound in 2 weeks. |
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mgguy
Newbie
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| 03/16/2008 3:28 PM |
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Our 6 year old rat terrier Nikki has had diarrhea for about 24 hours. At first a lot came out. Now it is only in very small amounts, but very smelly, watery, and bright yellow. She has also vomited a few times but not recently. The emergency vet technician suggested we wait until tomorrow and take her into our regular vet, unless she was not able to hold down water or is very lethargic. She is resting quietly now but appears to be doing alright, so we will wait until tomorrow to take her in.
A week ago we started changing her diet from Kirkland Lamb and Rice to Kirkland Chicken and RIce, mixing half of each. I'm wondering if the could be causing the problem. Has anyone else made this shift from one type food to another, especially the Kirkland products? -- Robert (aka mgguy). |
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Annie's Mom
Ratterific
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| 03/20/2008 12:18 AM |
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| My daughter had gairdia when she was 6 and lost 10 pounds. she got very sick beforte they found out what it was. Then we got a call from the health dept. They said she got it from the local pool. Our Lucy had it as a pup also. Just some bloody diarrhea. She didn't get to sick thank goodness. Glad everything is back to "normal" |
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Lucy's Colleen
Bratty Ratty
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| 03/24/2008 5:33 PM |
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Posted By BETTYLOO35 on 03/13/2008 9:21 PM
Im wondering if it effects mostly puppies. do you know colleen?
Sorry it took me so long to get back, I have been out of town.
Dogs can get it at any age. Lucy got it when she was under 5 months old. I am thinking it was from her puppy class because that is where she had most contact with several dogs and was held at a barn. But it's hard to tell. They can get it from so many things. People can get it too. My mom actually got it when she was out of the country hiking. |
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Colleen
Flickr account:
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Susan
Terrier Terror
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| 03/25/2008 12:40 AM |
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| Out here they call it Beaver Fever and it is very common. Beavers are a carrier and they like to travel, you wouldn't think so, but they will walk through the woods for miles and miles with no streams to go in. But when they are in the water you can pretty well expect that giardia is in the water too. People around here are pretty knowledgeable about it and warned me when I first moved to the area. I did not know that dogs could get it too! My dogs will drink from any stream when we are hiking or walking. |
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ANYTHING WORTH DOING IS WORTH OVERDOING Mom of eight, only three left at home! Pack leader to ten ratties: Maggie, Mysty, Berry, Simon, Ceecee and five puppies, Star,Sari, Bluebelle, Double stuf,and Snortie. As well as Ginger the Border Collie and a herd of turkeys! |
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