Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/07/2008 8:51 AM |
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So when we first got Corona the breeder took care of all the de-worming or whatever it's called. The first time we took her to the vet they tested her poop for worms just to be sure, everything came back fine. It's been about 2 months and we go for her last (of the series of 4) shot today and the vet said we should probably test for worms one more time. But the way he went about it, he made it sound like it wasnt necessary. It cost an extra $20 to do this test... is he trying to make some extra cash or should I have it done because it's necessary? Just wondering. I know you cant always tell from just looking, but her poop appears to be fine, and she doesnt have the poochy belly like puppies with worms have. Any advice would be great. I really dont mean to sound cheap, but $20 is $20 and if I dont have to spend it I wont. lol Then again I dont mind if I should lol |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/07/2008 8:59 AM |
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| My vet does a deworming schedule with puppies. Mine were wormed with their vaccinations so there was no need to test, although they told me to bring in stool if I could. If she has been routinely wormed as a pup then I wouldn;t worry too much about it, unless she has any symptoms. Use your judgement on that one, I know all about the $ thing! |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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tiggarat
Bratty Ratty
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| 02/08/2008 3:33 AM |
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How long has your vet been around? My vet's office has 2 guys who have been around for a 20-something years, and a young guy fresh out of school. The young guy does a lot of unnecessay tests and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about...I have requested to NOT have him deal with my dogs.
My "older" vet's have never tested for worms...it's kind of a given that the pups get some de-wormer, even if the breeder has already done so. Usually when we first get a puppy and take them in for a health check, they get the de-wormer pills...some to take now, and again in 2 weeks. Only if there's a serious problem will they want to run tests. |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/08/2008 8:28 AM |
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| The funny thing is, I usually have a younger guys maybe in his middle 30s take care of her. The last time we went in it was the owner of the office who has been around quite some time, actually Im almost certain it has been a family owned business. He was the one who said we should "probably" test again. Well eneded up going in yesterday and told them Im tight on cash and dont want to do another stool test bc she has no signs of worms. They were fine with it, I really feel like the "big guy" was trying to simply make more money off me because Im young and dont know better. Also is it common they do the Coronavirus shot and the Lyme shot this young? And in the winter at that? Because I asked them to hold off because they wanted to do it yesterday. If I'm not mistaking one is for kennel cough, not necissary at this moment, and the other Lymes Disease... I knew a puppy was going to be expensive but man, I didnt want to make it a 100 trip if it wasnt necesarry. |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 8:37 AM |
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Sounds like you did good! The coronavirus is not a core vaccine and in general should not be given, it is similar to parvo but not as lethal and affects the gastrointestinal tract. Lyme disease should not be vaccinated for either unless you are in an epidemic area, which I am not sure about yours, but we are not so we skip that one. Here is a general chart I found that gives you an idea of the core vaccinations and others. I would refuse the Coronavirus myself and possible the Lyme depending on your area.
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CORE VACCINES
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NONCORE VACCINES
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NOT RECOMMENDED
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RABIES (May vary for adult dogs in accordance with local statutes)
DISTEMPER
PARVOVIRUS
ADENOVIRUS-2 (hepatitis virus) |
BORDETELLA (Kennel Cough, Canine Cough)
PARAINFLUENZA
LYME VACCINE... considered a CORE vaccine in endemic areas. See article on LYME disease
LEPTOSPIROSIS (all 4 types) |
ADENOVIRUS-1
CORONAVIRUS
GIARDIA (a protozoan intestinal organism)
DISTEMPER-MEASLES (combined vaccine) not used in adult dogs |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/08/2008 8:42 AM |
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| The Coronoavirus... is that the one for Kennel Cough? Thats the one he wanted to give her, but I have heard that its not necissary unless your dog plans on being in a Kennel or training program. The the Lymes, I think we should get once in the summer bc we go camping alot and if Im not mistaking its good to have bc of ticks? I dunno... like I said I dont know alot, theirfore I think he will try to make as much money off of me as he can. All I do know is she has the first 4 shots of that he called the Puppy Series. And the Rabies we go back for in 3 weeks. |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 8:43 AM |
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I found this:
Riskiest Areas to Contract Lyme Diesase Dog
Lyme disease dog is prevalent in the following areas:
High Risk
East coast from North Carolina to Maine
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Moderate Risk
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Michigan
Illinois
Missouri>br>Iowa
California
Oregon
All other states are low risk.
Your in a Moderate risk area for Lyme disease, so when she is older I would only consider vaccinating if you take her out to areas that would increase her risk. I personally would be aware of ticks, use a repellant and check her frequently for ticks if in grassy/wooded areas. The longer a tick is on the greater the risk of transmission. I would personally go this route over vaccinating for it. JMO. |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 8:45 AM |
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Bordatella is Kennel Cough. And unless she is boarded, shown or anywhere else with lots of dogs, I wouldn't do this one. Coronavirus is totally different and if he said that one I wouldn't do it at all. Again, JMO. |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Crystal
Ratastic
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| 02/08/2008 8:51 AM |
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Actually the Bordetella(kennel cough) is good to give you dog not only staying in a kennel or trainning classes but if you dog will consitanly be around other dogs such as a dog park. I would get a copy of the list above and keep it with you for reference so you do give you puppy unnessasary shots.
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Mom to Guenhwyvar, When life gets hard, take a long hot bath and enjoy knowing the door locks and your phone is on silent!!
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/08/2008 8:52 AM |
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| Ok Im sorry I was wrong, it was Lyme and Bordatella. I think maybe I should change vets? Because when I told them my opinion, which is kinda hard for me to do lol they kinda gave me a look like they were going to try to pressure me to get them. I mean we did decide to wait till spring for the Lyme, but Im just nervous, yes Im a lil young and I feel like they will take advantage of that and try to get me to give her shots that arent necessary. Maybe I should really read up on vaccines or just switch vets... |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 8:58 AM |
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Read, read, read. And print too so you have backup. This is a big issue these days with lots of opinions. You need to decide wht you think is right, which is not an easy feat. I am not vaccinating Jack at all now due to immune issues, but my vet is pressuring me to do so. I may also change vets due to that alone. Many people out there now are thinking that annual vaccines (after the puppy series) are too much and at least cutting back to 3 years. Many vets still don't agree with that. Your best for of defense is reading. Here are some links to check out if you are interested:
http://www.doglogic.com/vaccination.htm
http://www.critteradvocacy.org/New%20Vaccination%20Protocols.htm |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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mommabird
Ratastic
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| 02/08/2008 9:01 AM |
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As far as dewormings go, most pups and kittens need a followup deworming because of the life cycle of the roundworms (hooks and whips) Some vets like to also check the stool again to rule out coccidia or giardia (single celled organisms) that could cause problems. When I was a tech, we would occasionally loose patients to heavy worm and/or the protozoan type organism. Early stool checks can catch these before they become serious and would have saved these animals.
As far as the Lyme disease vaccine, I'm with Sarah. Unless you are in a prone area, I don't think it's necessary. Neither one of mine are vaccinated for it or corona. And corona isn't as deadly as parvo, but can make a very young pup really sick. It's very rare to see adult dogs get corona, even when not vaccinated. Parvo, is another story. It has the ability to mutate and it does. The survival rate is 50/50 in pups. And thats alot better than 20-25 years ago, when so little was known about parvo. Distemper isn't to be taken lightly either. And of course Rabies vaccine is an absolute must in my book. I know that in my area, confirmed rabies cases are shockingly on the rise.
Believe it or not, the original parvo virus came from the feline distempter virus that mutated into the parvo virus! But, dogs don't get parvo from cats infected with feline distemper and visa-versa. Just a little educational info I thought I would throw in;-)
Hope this helps. |
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mommabird (Rachel)
Y'all have a Great Day! |
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/08/2008 9:03 AM |
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| Thank you Sarah I know this will help out alot. Now the hard part will be telling my vet no... ugh I hate looking at someone when they think you dont know what you are talking about lol... but now I will have paperwork like you said to back me up! :0) |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 9:06 AM |
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One last thing, being that she is a small dog. Make sure her rabies is always seperate from other vaccines, like they are doing this time. At the very least you can minimize the risk of reactions. If they are willing you could even ask them to give single vax not combos so she gets them seperately, but some won't do that. |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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mommabird
Ratastic
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| 02/08/2008 9:10 AM |
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One thing that I am noticing, is that a shift towards the core vaccines only being necessary every three years. (Rabies is already like that in some areas after the initial first year).
I think more vets are starting to look into it and from what I have researched and read there is promise in this. I would like to see the trend go this way, because I believe from my own experiences that adult dogs do build up a natural immunity to these viruses over time, just like we humans do. Of course everybody's system is different. The only reliable way to know for sure is by doing blood titers, which can be expensive.
If it weren't for the fact that I occasionally need to board my two at the vet, I would vaccinate every three years and not even do the bordetella. |
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mommabird (Rachel)
Y'all have a Great Day! |
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 9:13 AM |
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I found this on the corona virus Aubrey:
Corona Not recommended.
1. Disease only affects dogs < 8 weeks of age.
2. Corona is a rare disease, only 1 case reported in 7 yrs at each of these Vet
Schools: TAMU, Cornell, Colo.St., U.Cal.@ Davis
3. Efficacy of vaccine questionable, IgA Mucosal antibodies needed |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 02/08/2008 9:15 AM |
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Posted By mommabird on 02/08/2008 9:10 AM
One thing that I am noticing, is that a shift towards the core vaccines only being necessary every three years. (Rabies is already like that in some areas after the initial first year).
I think more vets are starting to look into it and from what I have researched and read there is promise in this. I would like to see the trend go this way, because I believe from my own experiences that adult dogs do build up a natural immunity to these viruses over time, just like we humans do. Of course everybody's system is different. The only reliable way to know for sure is by doing blood titers, which can be expensive.
In researching this, I have found that this isn't even a reliable way. No one really knows what levels are okay or not. Many sites/people state these are not accurate. Here is one sites view:
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The duration of immunity for modified live virus vaccines like K9 Distemper and Parvovirus
have been proven to be 7 years by challenge and 15 and 7 years respectively by serology. Memory cells persist for life.(23a,23b)
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Titers of antibody levels do not accurately predict immunity or lack of immunity. |
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Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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GoldRushKennels
Rat Royalty
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| 02/08/2008 2:19 PM |
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If you go to dog parks do Bortatella. Happened to us twice..
It's not alot of $$ and you can do it yourself with the nasel spray.
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Jeff & Janet
Gold Rush Kennels - Rat Terriers |
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Erinj09
Ratastic
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| 05/09/2008 12:49 AM |
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its good to know that there are other young owners, i am getting a puppy soon, a few months before my 20th birthday. plus this info will come in handy 
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Proud owner of a rat terrier resides here.
Kahlua is my new puppy,Olive is my kitty-kat, Oh and 3 fish (Bonnie, Indiana Jones, and Rafiki) lol I love my animals hehe
"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but by the moments that take our breath away" |
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spence9118
Terrier Terror
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| 05/09/2008 8:10 PM |
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| Im so glad I did the Bordatella on my boys it saved me probably 200 dollars in vet bills since recently Kennel cough has been spreading around the neighborhood. Tucker just had a little cough for a few days and Charlie was compleatly fine, we did take tucker in just in case but half the dogs around us got it pretty bad! |
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
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