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KLO
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| 04/24/2008 7:34 PM |
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I just got a new rattie, a sort of rescue. His name is Scooter, he is two years old and he has not been neutered. I plan to have that done next week but something has come up that I really need advice on. A friend has a female rattie that is in heat and they want to use Scooter to breed her! Is this a good idea? I'm afraid this will make him a very un-happy dog if he's used like this and then neutered, he'll know what he's missing! |
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KLO
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| 04/24/2008 7:35 PM |
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I forgot to add they want to do this tomorrow! |
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swatson6
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| 04/25/2008 7:43 AM |
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Welcome to the site and thank you for saving that little boy. I must say though, you have to think about what you are asking. You rescued Scooter from a shelter because no one wanted him, do you really want to produce puppies that could end up with the same fate? You have no idea of Scooters background, his lineage or any of the important information you would need on him. You should have testing of thyroid, hips, and patellas before also and by the sounds of it you wouldn't have time for that anyway and it can get expensive. Breeding is not something that should be taken that lightly. There are way to many ratties out ther without homes to be casually breeding more. I would have to say a firm no on breeding him. Enjoy him, neuter him and call it a day. JMO.  |
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Sarah
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
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Mitzy's Mom
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| 04/25/2008 7:50 AM |
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Ditto to Sarah's comment. Also, your friend obviously shouldn't be breeding her female as she has no idea what she's doing.....based on her asking to "use" your male when he's not registered, has not any genetic testing, etc. Please neuter your dog and don't create more puppies to end up in a shelter like he did. |
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Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco
RBR Foster Mom
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Emg
Terrier Terror
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| 04/25/2008 2:11 PM |
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Depends on the person that owns the female dog. Does you friend know what she/he is getting into? Has your friend done extensive research and is serious about breeding? Do you trust your friend to be responsible and to find good homes for the pups? Is she aware of the risks- that her dog and the pups could die from complications? Do YOU relize that if the female dog has an STD and you breed your dog with her without knowing, that your dog could end up with an STD?
I won't start hounding you or your friend about all the millions of homeless pets that end up in shelters and are put down every year...many people know this and choose to breed anyway. I will say that I cannot judge your friend, but I would not trust her/him to breed your dog. What your friend is doing is taking a dog with no breed history, that has not been tested for genetic diseases, and every good breeder knows that you have to have some sort of hereditary history and should be cleared of the main genetic diseases.
Also, are you willing to put up with an unaltered dog? Dogs that are unaltered tend to be more dominating and aggressive.
Have your friend at least take a look at this site. It is a virtual breeding site that mentions many things that could go wrong.
http://www.geocities.com/bluegracepwd/virtualbreeding.html |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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Mitzy's Mom
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| 04/25/2008 2:30 PM |
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| Just checked out the Virtual Breeding site - great info - we should post that in the Breeding Forum. Good info for people thinking of breeding to know! |
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Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco
RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com |
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Emg
Terrier Terror
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| 04/25/2008 2:38 PM |
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| I agree, MB. Before you Breed, you should know the risks and understand what you are getting into. Want me to put it on another thread? |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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Mitzy's Mom
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| 04/25/2008 2:51 PM |
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Maybe start a new thread in Breeding and paste the link plus that list of questions for the potential breeder - http://www.learntobreed.com/questions.html . Something that people thinking of breeding will see and check out. We can ask a moderator to pin it.  |
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Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco
RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com |
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Emg
Terrier Terror
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| 04/25/2008 3:12 PM |
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| Done. I also put the link to "Virtual Breeding 2" |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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KLO
Newbie
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| 04/25/2008 10:13 PM |
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Remember I said it was a "sort of rescue?" I knew the man that had him, he was bought from a reputable breeder so I know his background. The man who owned him just was not a responsible owner and then he ended up in trouble. To keep Scooter from going to the pound I was asked to take him. I already own one rat terrier that I got from the people who are wanting to use Scooter as a stud dog. All of the ratties they have are from good blood lines and they all have been given to good homes. I was just concerned about Scooter being used as a stud dog then being neutered, what it could do to him mentally! I want to have a happy, healthy dog, not one that, has sex on his mind all the time. Because of the way he was treated by his previous owner I am expecting some behavior problems to surface as he becomes more comfortable with us.
So far he is settling in very nicely, playing with my first rattie, Daisy, a spayed female, who will be 5 in May. It will take a little longer for Scooter and my lab, Bear, a neutered 8 ? year old male, to become friends. He was a found dog so we don't know for sure how old he is but we have had him for 7 years.The lab is very protective of Daisy and my cat! For now I don't leave Bear and Scooter alone but I know this issue will settle it's self with time and a lot of love for all of them. |
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Spanky's Mom
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| 04/25/2008 10:36 PM |
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I agree with all that has been said and to add one more thing to think about... Not always, but sometime breeding will cause the male to start "marking" in the house, are you willing to put up with that??
Breeding is best left to the ones who have spent countless hours on researching the bloodlines, done ALL the testing and are prepaired for ALL the what IF's.
A neutered male is a happy male & is less likely to encounter prostate cancer and wont encounter testical cancer.
As Sarah said: Neuter him, enjoy him & call it a day! |
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When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind 
THE MEANING OF RESCUE
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed,
All nicely tucked in my warm new bed.
I'd like to open my baggage
Lest I forget,
There is so much to carry -
So much to regret.
Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top
Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss,
And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame.
As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave -
I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain.
I loved them, the others, the ones who left me,
But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me.
Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack?
Or will you just look at my things -
And take me right back?
Do you have the time to help me unpack?
To put away my baggage,
To never repack?
I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see,
But I do come with baggage -
Will you still want me?
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Emg
Terrier Terror
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| 04/26/2008 5:58 AM |
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Your dog will not be mentally damaged if you neuter him, and he will not 'miss out' on anything. He won't even mind once he recovers from surgery. Dogs are simple creatures that live in the now...they are not like people who would be very upset if something like that happened. Neutering your male also helps to prevent behavioral problems, because like I said before, unaltered dogs tend to more aggressive, territorial, and dominating. It makes your dog happier and healthier.
I would suggest at least neutering him after you breed him instead of leaving him unfixed.
If she is a very responsible breeder and just wants to use your dog once...well, it is your choice. I have no problem with responsible breeders. But remember to get all the necessary testing done like testing for STDs, a CERF test, OFA, ect. But first, ask her why she wants to breed your dog to hers. Is there something special about him? Do a little research on what good breeders will do and see if your friend meets these standards.
And how old is your dog? It's best not to breed until a dog is at least 2 years old. |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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Mitzy's Mom
Pack Leader
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| 04/26/2008 6:30 AM |
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| I agree. Just because he is "from good blood lines" doesn't automatically mean he should be bred. Please research this and have the genetic testing done, etc. Just the fact that you have to ask if he "will be missing something" after neutering sort of says you aren't very experienced with breeding....JMO....so research. |
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Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco
RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com |
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KLO
Newbie
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| 04/26/2008 8:08 AM |
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| I have never been into dog breeding. I ALWAYS have my dogs neutered, that is why I was asking about this issue, I don't know anything about it! Scooter is 2 years old and while he is a pretty dog I don't think there is anything special about him, my friend just wanted some new "blood" for her female. I do believe this issue is mote tho, I think they got the hint that I wasn't to excited about this, they haven't called. He had to have an allergy shot on the 23rd and the vet said to wait at least one week before he has surgery, the shots can delay healing. So as soon as the week is up he will be neutered! I really don't believe in bringing more un-wanted dogs into the world! |
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Spanky's Mom
Terrier Terror
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| 04/26/2008 8:30 AM |
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I think you are making a very wise decision 
Spanky is from very good lines, he was neutered at 4 months as I had no desire to breed him, he never knew anything ever happened & still doesn't He's a happy, healthy little guy. |
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When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind
THE MEANING OF RESCUE
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed,
All nicely tucked in my warm new bed.
I'd like to open my baggage
Lest I forget,
There is so much to carry -
So much to regret.
Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top
Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss,
And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame.
As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave -
I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain.
I loved them, the others, the ones who left me,
But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me.
Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack?
Or will you just look at my things -
And take me right back?
Do you have the time to help me unpack?
To put away my baggage,
To never repack?
I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see,
But I do come with baggage -
Will you still want me?
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rged
Rattie
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| 04/26/2008 2:28 PM |
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You've made some good decisions;
1.) "rescuing" scooter
2.) asking for advice
It's all been previously stated, so for now, enjoy him and welcome to the site! |
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Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
-Robert A. Heinlein
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