madhen

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| 02/28/2008 8:50 AM |
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Hi,
I have the opprotunity to rescue a rat/chi mix who is a 1 yr old sweetheart male. My question is I also own a boston/rat 1 yr loveable male mix. I have never own two male dogs before and wanted to know if there were certain problems I was getting myself into...marking, dominance, territorial, agressivness??? They are both fixed and play fine with other dogs. It just seems that most two dog owners have one of each sex but I couldn't help but fall in love with this little rescue.
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~~Heidi Mom to Maxx...my bRat baby (mix of boston and rat love) |
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swatson6

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| 02/28/2008 9:08 AM |
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| There are a bunch of us here that have 2 males. They are both neutered and young so you should be able to intregrate them fairly easily. There is always the chance of territory issues, but there is that chance with any 2 dogs. Good luck!! I love my 2 boys and wouldn't have it any other way~ |
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DaisysMom

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| 02/28/2008 9:23 AM |
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First: We want to see him !!! LOL!! Second: We have members here with two males, and there is apparently little or no problems, especially when they are fixed. I think two females likely present more of a challenge than two males (isn't that always the case? Ha ha ha) A new male dog, fixed or not, may attempt to mark in a new home whether there are other dogs present or not, from what I understand. There is a good post in the training forum regarding marking. Introducing them on neutral territory is always a good idea, rather than bringing the new guy into your Maxx's house without any prior meeting. As for dominance, one of them will likely be the more dominant of the two, and it's best to let them try and decide their places in the pack on their own as much as possible, with the understanding that you are the ultimate Alpha I hope that things can be worked out and you're able to save this guy!! Don't forget the pic  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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gwacie

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| 02/28/2008 9:28 AM |
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PICTURES!
Pros and cons with boys. If they are altered and if only one (or none) are dominant it can work. I have 3 here right now. Normally we have 2, Zip, 11, dominant and Eddie, 3, puddle of goo. Right now we have the Peanut, 9mos, and he's not dominant but he's strong willed for sure and was neutered late. No serious fights but they do require some mangement. If one is dominant you need to support that so the balance is maintained. Does that make sense?
ETA I think boys (who have been neutered young) are even more loving than females many times. Big cuddlebugs. |
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madhen

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| 02/28/2008 9:40 AM |
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Thank you so much for the nice words of encouragement. here is a link to the rescue site. his picture is on there click to here to see my jester boyy |
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~~Heidi Mom to Maxx...my bRat baby (mix of boston and rat love) |
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madhen

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| 02/28/2008 9:41 AM |
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| And I will DEFANATLY post more when we get him! |
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~~Heidi Mom to Maxx...my bRat baby (mix of boston and rat love) |
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swatson6

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| 02/28/2008 9:45 AM |
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| OMG he is adorable!!!! You HAVE to get that sweet face! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/28/2008 9:54 AM |
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| Oh, he's gorgeous! and Jester is the perfect name! Also, he really looks all rattie to me but either way thank you for rescuing him! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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DaisysMom

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| 02/28/2008 9:58 AM |
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Oh, he's a looker!!! So you've definitely decided, then? I hope you're able to get him and that it all works out |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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Sarah K

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| 02/28/2008 10:03 AM |
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| OMG....how can you look at that face and not fall in love? Hope you get to bring him home soon. |
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Sarah ~ Mommy to Chrissy and Pepper (JackRat)
Chrissy and Pepper's Blog: http://360.yahoo.com/magicalmemories3980 |
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madhen

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| 02/28/2008 10:12 AM |
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daisysmom,
I knew the moment I saw him that we were meant for each other but I guess I'm just having new parent anxienty. I'm worried about Maxx feeling left out and upset and then what if Maxx snubs little Jester. I don't want him to feel unwelcomed and unwanted. I just want my babies to get along and I won't know that until the meet tonight for the first time. His Foster Mom is bringing him over @ 7:30 to introduce us. I think we will meet at the park first then come back to my place so Maxx doesn't get upset. Or maube I shouldn't worry so much and just let these things work them selves out, whatcha all think??? I'm a mess...can you tell I'm a pleaser |
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~~Heidi Mom to Maxx...my bRat baby (mix of boston and rat love) |
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swatson6

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| 02/28/2008 10:24 AM |
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| I do think you are right in introducing them on neutral territory first. Then there is no defense from the start by Maxx. |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 02/28/2008 10:29 AM |
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I had a pack of 5 - until my Sasha passed recently - which included 3 males and 2 females. The males were fine - it was Sasha and Sandy who had the issues. Both were alpha females, but Sasha was more brutal, so I supported Sasha as alpha to stop the fights between Sandy and Sasha.... there were still fights from time to time, but then again, Sasha fought with everybody from time to time to keep her alpha status, even at 18 years old....
I only foster males because of the issue of alpha females... I've experienced it firsthand, and it's not easy... when males have issues over dominance, at least one will back down when they know they're defeated.. females will fight to the death.... Sasha's had many stitches and staples to close wounds to prove it!! 
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, Northeast State Coordinator and Applications Coordinator and Fundraising Co-Chair www.ratbonerescues.com
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DaisysMom

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| 02/28/2008 10:30 AM |
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Meeting at the park is a fantastic idea. You'll have to try and control your emotions so the dogs, especially Maxx, don't pick up on them. (Not easy, I know.) If you can adopt a "matter of fact" attitude about the whole thing it will be helpful. As in, "Hey, bub, this is your new brother and he's here to stay and that's that". You can't sweet talk or lovey-dovey a dog into feeling better about something, that actually typically makes it worse. (Not saying you would approach it that way, just pointing it out.) You can expect a transition period where it might seem as if they aren't "loving" one another yet, but others here will attest that after a while they usually become the best of friends  |
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wmars1776

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swatson6

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| 02/28/2008 10:35 AM |
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Posted By DaisysMom on 02/28/2008 10:30 AM
Meeting at the park is a fantastic idea. You'll have to try and control your emotions so the dogs, especially Maxx, don't pick up on them. (Not easy, I know.) If you can adopt a "matter of fact" attitude about the whole thing it will be helpful. As in, "Hey, bub, this is your new brother and he's here to stay and that's that". You can't sweet talk or lovey-dovey a dog into feeling better about something, that actually typically makes it worse. (Not saying you would approach it that way, just pointing it out.)
You can expect a transition period where it might seem as if they aren't "loving" one another yet, but others here will attest that after a while they usually become the best of friends 
And that's the greatest thing ever! 
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gwacie

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| 02/28/2008 10:36 AM |
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| Sue, you are so right about alpha females. I can bring males in and usually make it work (though have to watch markers) but Roxy (our very dominant and cranky alpha girl) will not have another female. She hated Billie the VERY submissive greyhound. I've had more food aggression issues in females too. Once we brought an intact female in to foster (she had a scar and the vet thought she was altered - but it must have been a c-section scar - we discovered that when she went into heat!!). Jesse was a very sweet RT girl but Roxy wasn't having any. |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/28/2008 10:59 AM |
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Guys - that's depressing because I was kind of hoping to someday be able to get another female rattie. Mitzy is my very dominant girl. She accepted Mayfly (Mayfly was 9 weeks old when we got her) and grew up with Loco (the whippet). She's had fights with Skipper but nothing that involved broken skin or wounds of any kind. Basically, I guess I could only get a male? |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 02/28/2008 11:58 AM |
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Not all females are alpha.... but if you DO get 2 alpha females, it could be trouble. I didn't mean to imply that 2 females should NEVER be together... but if you do get a female, and it's from a rescue, make sure to ask if it's in a home with other females and if she shows dominance.
My little girl Sandy has now stepped into Sasha's shoes. So much humping going on with everybody trying to figure out their pack order now that Sasha's gone... Ben made the mistake of trying to mount Sandy - now picture it, Sandy is about 13-14 pound B-Body (Teddy, low rider) Rattie, and Ben is a big, strong, muscular 22 pound boy.... and when Ben tried to mount Sandy, she just whipped her little body around and "bitched" him down to the point where he just totally cowered and submitted to her... it was a RIOT!! So now, I know, that I should probably only take in males to foster because of what a strong alpha Sandy has shown herself to be... and if I take in another female, not knowing if it's alpha or not and she turns out alpha... I've been there and done that and need a break from that for a while........
I find dog pack behavior totally facsinating.... (until the humping starts and they start banging into me on the couch or in bed......... then I get annoyed LOL)....
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, Northeast State Coordinator and Applications Coordinator and Fundraising Co-Chair www.ratbonerescues.com
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/28/2008 1:11 PM |
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Oh I know females can be together (have 3 now) my problem is I do have a very alpha female which is also the smallest dog, Mitzy. I guess when/if the time comes I'll have to make sure the new girl is very submissive. Which is why I would want to go through Ratbones - they seem to really know their fosters very well and would be able to tell me whether certain dogs were alpha or not. (The shelter we got Skipper through seems to have barely known him!) Thanks Sue! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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NYGemma

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| 03/18/2008 10:07 AM |
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| I have a male pitbull and now we have Guinness for a week, they are best buddies. Cesar acts like a big brother, or daddy to little Guinness. So far so good. I suggest walking them together immediately to establish them as a pack... |
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