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dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 12:18 AM  

So I have started a new project but would like to hear others opinion on the matter before I go too much further. It really bothers me what I am trying to do so I thought I would ask and see what you thought of wheather you would be offended or not. Make note that this would be strickly on a family/personal level and would not include any one or thing that was not associated with the subject at hand on a family/personal level.

I have been thinking about this for over a year and just recently decided that I would move forward because I really want to do this but what has kept me from doing it was that I was scared that I would offend someone. I just feel like I am crossing the line in some way. It may just be me but that is why I am asking.

As you all know, I love to take pictures. Well I have a missing void in my life by not knowing details and facts about my lost love ones. Actually I have never known my grandparents. My goal is to change what has always been and to start photographing things of importance and documenting details for my kids and grandkids so that they "can" easily learn about their past loved ones. By this I mean that I want to photography the churches inside and out were loved ones have been married and have shared happy times and in addition I want to photograph churches and graves to share where loved ones were passed through church for the last time and show their final resting place meaning their graves. And in some cases how they got to that resting place. I have some detailed facts that deminstrates some very interesting facts that not just anyone knows.

Kasey (my 3 year old) comes to mind first hand as his dad and I are in our 40s and he has grandparents taht have passed away before he was born and never knew them like myself. By the time he is old enough to take it all in, asuming that his dad and I are still able to remember everything and give him as much as we can, I would feel so much better if I had this book of facts and photos to hand over to him so he can learn all he wants about his past loved ones. Not to mention that it would be shared by all but I think he would benefit the most from it beings some of the best grandparents had passed on before he was born.

I have always loved to look at very old photos and have someone try to explain to me what happened and where did they go to church and where are they now buried. I don't always get the answers that I am looking for but it also taught me something that was in front of me that I never realized. The kids today, this current generation has not a clue as to what it was many generations before. The kids today take death for granted and do not remember as much as they should. This is all based on my past experience not directed to anyone outside my personal family.

Ok so here is what I want to do:

I want to photography the 3 churches that are associated with my past/current. And I want photos from outside and detailed photos from inside. I am not sure if I will be allowed to do this and this is one of the things that has stopped me from going forward. Do you think that I would be allowed to do this?

Well an other thing which I have already started and will continue to do is photograph graves of family members. I just did my grandmother and my dad which you can see below one of the photos that would show all the details but for this posting I have blurred them out for personal reasons as you can understand...

I have others from artistic angles but I just edited this one to show you what my intentions are. I do want to make my photos artistic as I can but yet keep them real as they look to me today. Who knows what things will look like in years to come. I just want my kids and grandkids to have something to look at and see what it was like "today" and learn all the facts and details that I can offer and compare them to their "today" in the future.

So now that you see what my goal is, would you be offended if I were to be taking tons of pictures of churches and cemetarys? Well that is if you saw me. Do you know if I can legally take photographs inside churches during a time when there is nothing going on? Anyone have any experience in do this sort of thing within the churches? Should I just brake down and just contact the preist? I have just been a little, well ok a lot worried that I would sound like a crazy person wanting to take all these photos for personal use.KWIM?

Well I am very interested on what your opinion would be about this and how you would feel if you were to see me taking tons of photos. Would you be offended? Again, the photos of the church could not be personal but the photos within the cemetary would only be of family members and special friends which only consist of two that has passed away.

Anyone one see why I should not or could not do any of this? Please share as this is a mall passsion of mine.


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 12:29 AM  
huh.. ok... not a mall passion of mine.. LOL just a passion! LOL dang edit button!

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 12:30 AM  
Oh I forgot to mention that I would be doing either a scrapbook or a photo book with details written in. I have not decided on what I was going to do just yet.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 12:33 AM  
I should also mention that graves get popped up and moved when hurricanes pass through here and what once was is not always what it was before. So if I were to photograph graves as I see them today, that does not mean that they will look that way or sad but true be there for ever.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 12:50 AM  
I know this must sound strange but aside from what I descrive above there are lots of other areas that I am targeting like where I grew up, and Kasey and his siblings dad grew up. Where we lived when we first married, and where their dad worked, and I worked, where we went to school. I want to photograph all that and hopefully get some shots that will display what we were about. Basically I am trying to capture the past as we knew it and the current time as we know it. I hope to add to this as years go on. Everyone loves year books so wy can't we have a family history book???

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
singingpilgrim


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/26/2008 12:54 AM  
I don't think I'd be offended. I've actually done both, that is, take photos in churches and of graves, but not for the same reasons. I was born in NJ and moved to SC when I was 7, but up until a few years ago the only church I thought of as mine was the church I went to in NJ as a kid, and where my grandparents still go. So I went in, without any permission or anything, on a weekday when I was up there on vacation and took pictures. Still, I did feel weird about it because there were workmen outside working on the sidewalk or something and I just went in... the front door was locked, so I went around to a backdoor I had remembered being there and went in there... if I were to go back, I don't know that I'd have done it over again. So personally, I'd recommend you actually talk to the priest. Just tell him that the church is very meaningful to your family, and you wish to record your impressions for future generations. Don't reveal your own reservations, as that might fuel some in him. If you are respectful and earnest, I think that there should be no problem. A church SHOULD be meaningful and important to a family.
As for the graves, I've taken pictures because I was sent on a project for a class I was in college. Not necessarily to a graveyard, but it was one place suggested and I didn't have a car and there was a graveyard in walking distance of the school. And I didn't feel weird, nor did it occur to me to feel weird. And I wasn't even doing it for as legitimate a reason as I think you're presenting here. (It was for a religion class where were supposed to find art that represented scripture, and often there are pictures or sculptures on graves that do just that).
Personally I find walking in a graveyard to be a very relaxing and soothing thing. It's just so peaceful. Yeah, maybe I'm weird, but I'm not alone. Lots of people from my college would go walking there because it was so quiet and away from things.

Pamela
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ivy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/26/2008 12:55 AM  
I think it is a great idea!!!! I always wished that I had tape recorded my grandmother telling tales of her youth for my boys. She past before they came and I have been talking with my mom about doing it for me because I want to make sure I tell it right!!! Were her folks came from and all that stuff I would think the church would be glad you wanted to document for your children!! I don't know what denomination you belong to but I know mine (Free Methodist) would not have a problem with it. I am a 1st and 2nd grade teacher for our mid week kids night and we take all kinds of pictures of the church. We had our 100th year anniversary last year and it was really neat to see the pictures of the church as it began and how it is today. Your church may like to have copies of your church photos for a record of how it grow as well!!! I really like the photo of the grave as well. I just think that is a really good idea and I may have to get some of my grandparents and such for my boys! Good Idea!!
malta blue


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/26/2008 5:49 AM  
I consistently wander through old cemetaries and photograph graves. There is nothing wrong with it. It is a respected art form. I have also photographed many churches in my travels around the world, and the only time I felt awkward was doing the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. I was taking some photos and then the prayer service started, so obviously I felt it was inappropriate to continue photographing it at that time. Otherwise, GO FOR IT. The photo you posted is beautiful so I look forward to seeing more.

~rachel

"Never separate the life you live from the words you
speak" ~ Paul Wellstone.
Bailey's mom


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 6:13 AM  
I think that is a wonderful idea for Kasey. I wish I would have listened to my mother more, although she does have a lot of our family history documented.
I take pictures of tombstones and go to cemeteries all the time. I do photo requests for findagrave.com and I really enjoy it. I have put memorials for most of my
family members on there already.

~Nancy~
aka Bailey's Mom
daisydeux


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/26/2008 7:48 AM  

I think it is a wonderful idea.  Giving your kids a sense of where they came from.  It is not offensive at all!  Lots of people photograph graves.  My aunt is very into geneology, and has traced our ancestors back to the 17th century.  She made a book for all of us w/old pictures, information stories, and yes, graves...fascinating stuff, and priceless!

Julie

danbenau


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/26/2008 7:57 AM  
Not strange at all. I have always found stuff like this interesting when the sun goes down and I rise from my coff... wait a minute, that was Dracula. Anyway, it's not strange at all. I'll go you one step further. As you trace heritage, go to FindaGrave.com. It bills itself as the world's largest virtual cemetery. You do not have to restrict yourself to graves of the famous and infamous, there are thousands of registered graves of just plain ordinary folk. If you do some searches on family names, you may come up with lists of ancestors and directions to the churches and cemeteries in which they are buried. There are also plenty of pictures, maybe not of the actual grave in which you are interested, but of the general cemetery in which an ancestor is buried.

His name is Hendryx! He's a rat terrier! OK!
lynnygal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/26/2008 12:49 PM  
Well, it's not my "thing" but my husband and his sister and aunt are VERY into geneaology and have spent a fair amount of time photgraphing family graves, etc. They have all the information put into a Family Treemaker file and it will get passed down to my daughter, etc. eventually. I will say, it has come in handy several times for our daughter who has had various school projected related to her family history and we can just go and print off the info and not have to dig around for it. Good luck.....will be a great thing for Kacey to have as he grows up.....

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
SuzieRedhead


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/26/2008 1:01 PM  

I don't find it offensive at all! I spent several summers while I was in college working for the DPW of my hometown mowing the lawn in our local cemetery and actually helping dig graves! Some of the gravestones were pretty amazing and some dated back to the late 1700's and early 1800's! I found it extremely interesting..........


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PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
08/26/2008 4:47 PM  
I think that's a good idea, whether or not your kids appreciate it later. I would love for my mom to sit down and go through all the old photos she has and write the names of the people on the backs of them. Some of them she can't remember who they are any more.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

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chris


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
08/26/2008 4:52 PM  
i think it is a good idea an i don't find it offensive
tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
08/26/2008 5:35 PM  
i dont see anything wrong with it at all i think it is a very good idea what you are doing. i am 36 years old and i have memories of all kinds of things when my grandparents were alive. my mom tells me things of people in old photos who she thinks they were and what they were doing. i think it is a very good idea to want to share that with kasey and someday grandkids. as far as a church i would ask the priest to make sure it is ok.
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/26/2008 6:19 PM  
Thanks for all the opinons. Looks like I will put this project in fast forward because if hurricane gustav comes here I will nothing to photograph. The last bad storm had popped up most of the graves with the surge and damaged one of the churches I want to go to.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
michelle_custer


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/26/2008 7:45 PM  
i say go for it... id love to be able to do what your doing for my kids if i ever have them.



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Rattermom


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
08/27/2008 6:24 PM  

I also do geneaology and even made a trip to find a small country cemetary where some of my ancestors are buried.  No one in my family ever spoke of where my grandparents came from or what they did or anything.  I have learned much of the early 20th century and how hard it was for people during the depression since doing my research.  I have photos of my parents' and grandparents' graves, also.  It shows birth and death dates.  Plus, I have started writing a journal about things that happened with our family, places we lived, and how life was while I was growing up.  Consider your project a living history for your children and grandchildren.


Patti in Georgia
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& Georgia Shelter Surfer
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Dinks Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
08/27/2008 8:05 PM  

I saw go for it too.  It's not offensive at all.  You're a GREAT photographer and will take (record) some wonderful memories.


~Susy~
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