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michelle_custer

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| 08/17/2008 1:20 PM |
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Im taking a guess at starting this but im sure theres members with no kids at all so they treat there dogs as kids. My hubby and i were having a discussion last week about having childern well it turns out he doesnt want anymore he has one daughter from his first marriage and thats all he wants it kinda bums me out but were working through it. So im beinging to think that ill have no skin kids at all in life. I told him just last night im going to start treating domino and daisey may as my kids and he just laughed he thought i wasnt being serious well as of today they go anywhere and everywhere i go besides work and the movies but there all i have as childern i was just wondering how many other members treat the pups like there childern???  |
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My Rats are my babies and I wouldnt trade them for anything in the world
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Bailey's mom

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| 08/17/2008 1:33 PM |
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| Well first, I'm sorry about your hubby not wanting anymore Children, especially if you would like to. I have children, but I treat my Bailey like a child too. |
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~Nancy~ aka Bailey's Mom |
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GothGirl

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| 08/17/2008 1:42 PM |
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Theres a lot of people who treat their pets as if they were their kids. My step Mom treated her yorkie like one of her kids. The dog even had her own bedroom. . She was the sweetest little dog. But boy was she spoiled rotten. LOL! Oh and I saw something on tv a few weeks back about people who don't have human kids, who have monkeys and treat them as if they were their kids. |
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farmergurlyo

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| 08/17/2008 1:48 PM |
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i'm sorry he feels that way too i don't think it's very fair if you want kids. but maybe he'll rethink things when he sees how serious you are about treating your dogs like kids? |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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treble02

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| 08/17/2008 2:00 PM |
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did you all talk about this before you got married? that does kinda stink if you want kiddos! I do treat Trixi and Toa as kids, and take them where I can...Michael and i DO NOT WANT KIDS right now...im very happy and content with my puppy kiddos |
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~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy, Ratbone Rescues Database Manager and Applications Coordinator
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michelle_custer

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| 08/17/2008 2:02 PM |
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yeah we did talk about it before we got married and he told me that he wanted kids with me and know hes changed his mind he ticks me off sometimes he knows im upset about it to.... i guess only time well tell but if he doesnt want kids then something are gonna have to change with are lifes |
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My Rats are my babies and I wouldnt trade them for anything in the world
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k_dmom33

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| 08/17/2008 4:50 PM |
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| Thats a bummer esp if you want them. I think my husband would have been happy with the two he had (my step-kids), but I wanted kids badly so we had my first daughter(who is now 13). He was done and didnt want anymore, but I told him how unfair that was to me( Im 10 yrs younger then him) because I wanted another one. He really didnt, but I talked to him about how important it was to me and he gave in and now she is 7. After she was born I knew I was done...no more! Im sure that made him very happy! LOL. But you know....there are times when my kids are fighting and driving me up the wall when I look at my hubby and say...I should have stuck with just dogs! LOL!!! |
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dbleblanc

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| 08/17/2008 5:22 PM |
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| I really hope you are able to have at least one skin child of your own. There is no other experience like that. Yes our fur babies are great and can serve as your kids but there is nothing wrong with having both. We are truely enjoying our 3 year old and our almost 1 year old rattie. They are fantastic together. Such a joy to watch play. But there is most certainly nothing wrong with having fur babies to serve as your kids. My mom always has a fur baby that she treats just like her own kid. |
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Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly) |
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michelle_custer

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| 08/17/2008 5:50 PM |
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i hope that one day im able to experince mother hood... im only 25 but mike is 35 so maybe one day ill have that joy sorry been an emitnoal day for me |
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My Rats are my babies and I wouldnt trade them for anything in the world
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ivy

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| 08/17/2008 5:52 PM |
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| just wondering why he changed his mind??? Does he have a reason? I think it is quite unfair to now say after a year of marriage I just don't want to have kids any more I am so sorry for you. That would get any one emotional. |
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singingpilgrim

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| 08/18/2008 12:28 AM |
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My aunt didn't marry until she was around forty, and she married a man who was at least fifteen years older than her. It was her first marriage, but his second and he already had three kids. They agreed, and she understood she'd never have kids. She decided to have dogs instead. She runs a dog rescue (non-breed specific) in CA. Currently she had five dogs of her own, generally with one or two fosters. (One of her dogs is a rattie; other than Soph, she's the only rattie I know in person!).
After they were married like ten years though, she started to realize she really wanted a kid... they talked long and hard and decided to try this program, I don't know what it's called, where you basically take in a kid from an orphanage in Kazakstan for a month or a summer? You provide them with stuff they can't get there; like good dental work and things. Mainly medical. The plan was to do this at least once, probably for a few years, and see how my aunt could handle being a mom, and then they'd talk about adopting...
Only, of course, they fell in love with the first (and only) orphan who came and stayed with them. She was older than they were originally thinking about-- since they were older, they weren't looking at babies or toddlers, but were thinking around 8 (older, but young enough to have a few years of childhood before they became a teen). But the girl was 11. And the adoption process takes about a year, so she was 12 when she became my cousin, officially.
After a year, my uncle got lung cancer... he survived another year, but he died this spring.
I feel awful for my aunt, and for my cousin who has now had to go through the deaths of three parents...
But they have each other, and that's good. I worry a little, since my aunt has only been a mother for two years but has a teenager with emotional problems (from being instituionalized most of her life)... but they are both healing, slowly of course, and leaning on each other. And they still have the dogs. 
Okay, when I opened this thread I thought it woudl be light hearted, and I know my story really isn't... and I don't know that this story helps you any, but it seemed applicable..
But to be lighthearted again for a minute, I am childless at the moment, though I do hope to have kids, and Sophia is my little baby, definately. The other day I was just bursting with love and pride over her, and wanting to gush about her... and realized I'd become one of those people who wants to show off picture so their dog, instead of pictures of their kids! lol. |
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Pamela ~Sophia Abigail's Mom~ Ratbones Rescue Volunteer |
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susannasmommy

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| 08/18/2008 12:33 AM |
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I have 1 skin kid, but my fur kids are pretty much treated like the skin kid is. People nearly poo when my daughter calls the dogs her "sisters." Not too long ago, very matter of factly, she told some kid that she DID, in fact, have a sister, and her name was Sue...and that she was a dog. LOL With that being said, until my daughter was born, I always thought losing one of the dogs would be equivilent to losing an actual skin kid. I can assure you, it sucks to lose a pet, but I'd be a total basketcase if anything ever happened to my little girl. I was so wrong. I'd lose all 3 fur kids and smile about it if meant keeping the skin kid around until I'm long gone from this place. |
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PamWh

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| 08/18/2008 3:54 PM |
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| Yes, it's not fair that he's changed his mind on you about having kids. But, you really don't want to force him into having one and have him be a reluctant parent. I know that you have some nieces and/or nephews, so maybe you could babysit them sometimes and be their favorite Aunt. |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/18/2008 3:59 PM |
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I don't know what it's like to want skin children, cuz I've never wanted any, and I'm sorry your man changed his mind.
My dogs are my babies... they're what gets me up in the morning.... they're what keeps me going... I have no idea what I'd do without 'em!
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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Jackie Oh!

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| 08/18/2008 4:13 PM |
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I'm 28 and have been married just over a year. I gues I'm just trying to say I know how you feel. Glen is 32 going on 18. I don't think he is ready even though my bells and whistles go off every time i'm in the room with an infant. I am just giving it time. Maybe he will realize a. that a child would complete your hausehold, and b. how happy it would make you. Hang in there and in the meantime keep lovin your puppies. |
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alice4512

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| 08/18/2008 4:37 PM |
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Wait, you mean Fred and Alice arent' my real children?? Do THEY know that??
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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michelle_custer

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| 08/18/2008 6:42 PM |
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its ok Val i act like domino and daisey may are my real childern i just dont tell them any differernt and the funny thing is they know what a baby smells like i come home everyday smelling like them... i work in a daycare so i get sniffed down and rub all over by my two babies... yeah its not fair that he changed his mind but maybe one day soon ill be having a baby but again no hurry even though i really want one before im 30 lol (singingpilgrim your story really helped me alot brought tears to my eyes but in a good way.... ) thats why i do what i do working with childern is my passion sometimes i just wanna come home and love on my puppies and thats all i wanna do for the rest of the night |
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My Rats are my babies and I wouldnt trade them for anything in the world
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maggiew607

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| 08/18/2008 11:47 PM |
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Michelle, I'm sorry about your hubby not wanting kids, but until or if he changes his mind, I'm sure domino and daisy will be glad to be your kids. Ricky and I aren;t married yet and neither of us want children anytime soon, so CoCo and Angus are our children. When people ask me if I have kids, I always "yep I have two, they're just of the four legged variety...lol. Everyone laughs, but they gte how much I love my pups. Even Ricky treats the pups like his kids. Maybe one day, skin kids will be in the picture, but CoCO and Angus will always be my first and second kids. |
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**Maggie, Mom to CoCo and Angus**
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HomersMom

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| 08/19/2008 1:50 AM |
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Maybe it was just his state of mind at the time when he said he didn't want any more children. A bad day, bad mood, etc., can make us all say things we mean at the time but not in the long term. You need to decide what YOU really want. If you give in to his wishes and ignore your own, you will at some point be angry and resentful, and that is not a prescription for a long, happy marriage. Dogs are too wonderful to be substitues! Kate |
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kp_in_scott

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| 08/19/2008 5:26 AM |
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Well, I had my kids when I was young. Both are grown adults now. Both tell me that I treat Amos better than I treat them. My reply: Amos love me better than ya'll do! And it's the truth! I don't wanna make it sound like I have bad kids, I don't. But sometimes you just need some unconditional love and you can get that from your furkids a whole lot easier than from your skin kids. Or at least, I do. |
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Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie mix and one sweet Toy Rattie and a house full of parrots |
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danbenau

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| 08/19/2008 6:47 AM |
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| Our sons are grown as well. One still lives with us, the other has moved out and is on his own (in a very good way). Hendryx is a bit of a substitute and definitely family member rather than "just a dog." I wouldn't say that we treat him as a kid, however. I guess we shift back and forth between human family and Hendryx's pack. |
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His name is Hendryx! He's a rat terrier! OK! |
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ShooBear

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| 08/19/2008 1:47 PM |
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I have two grown daughters (started very young) and I have 7 grandchildren! 3 of the grandchildren spend more time at my house than they do their Mom's. Sally is just another kid in my mind...as needy as my two were when they were toddlers (LOL) Hubby calls her the little princess. She goes most everywhere with us just like the grandchildren do!
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FattyMcFee

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| 08/19/2008 2:02 PM |
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You know, i am divorced and now seeing someone and he has a 14 yr old daughter. He is "fixed" and doenst want any more kids. I am 38 and always wanted my own family. I sometimes come to realize i likely will never have skin kids and it still hurts me. I keep trying to convince myself i'll be content w/no kids. I have a few pets and do treat them like kids.......... But when should we settle? I always figured i would adopt as long as i am able to single or not............there's plenty of kids who need love and i have alot to give. My BF even suggested we break up because of me wanting more and he cant give that to me.........its very difficult because i care for him so much and we have great times but my heart is always wanting more..... |
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Jackie Oh!

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| 08/19/2008 2:20 PM |
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Posted By FattyMcFee on 08/19/2008 2:02 PM
You know, i am divorced and now seeing someone and he has a 14 yr old daughter. He is "fixed" and doenst want any more kids. I am 38 and always wanted my own family. I sometimes come to realize i likely will never have skin kids and it still hurts me. I keep trying to convince myself i'll be content w/no kids. I have a few pets and do treat them like kids..........
But when should we settle? I always figured i would adopt as long as i am able to single or not............there's plenty of kids who need love and i have alot to give.
My BF even suggested we break up because of me wanting more and he cant give that to me.........its very difficult because i care for him so much and we have great times but my heart is always wanting more.....
FattyMcFee,
I had the luck of being adopted at a very young age by a kind a loving couple who couldn't have children of their own. My mom is (still) my best friend. All I'm saying is that if you think you could give a loving home to a child in need..do it. To this day my mom ends phone calls and e-mails with "I chose you." It's a good feeling. |
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FattyMcFee

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| 08/19/2008 2:50 PM |
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awww Thanks! I do think i can in a couple years.......even a teenager who just needs support and love........or even Foster. My aunt and uncle had 5 foster girls at one time-all teens! Sadly they divorced but i remember those teen girls loved my Aunt soooooooo much......... If no skin kids then i'll surely end up w/a bunch of ratties..............which would suit me just fine ;o)) They tend to treat me better than humans anyhow. |
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singingpilgrim

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| 08/21/2008 12:05 AM |
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I've been gone for two days and I wanted to return to this thread... I'm glad my story helped, even if it made you cry... And as for what others said about it just being your hubbies mood, it might be... a friend of mine, a few years ago, got pregnant by her boyfriend of only a month or two... but they said they would get married when she gave birth and he was real supportive (they were living together even though they barely knew each other-- she's one of those who flit around with guys, typically). But then she had a miscarriage... they stayed together, at first saying they were still engaged, but eventually just letting that trail off... and he went on and on, many times, about how he never, ever wanted any kids... She's always wanted kids (I've known her since the fourth grade), but she just kind of ignored him... Well, they've been together for two years and she has cheated on him a lot (he never knew). Then an incident happened, can't say what, that bonded them and she decided not to cheat on him ever again... ONE WEEK later, they got engaged, but not because of romantic things... as a backlash from the incident, they actually found themselves in a situation where they had two choices: get married, or break up. They choice to get married. Well, after they'd been married for two weeks, he says he wants to get pregnant this fall! Talk about a turn around... very mood dependent... Honestly, I don't think they should, because I KNOW they are not ready. Plus, the guy she was cheating with just a few months ago keeps text messaging her and while she's not responding, she's not telling him to GO AWAY either... sigh... They are not the most stellar couple in the world, they both majorly have issues... However, it is an example of a situation where the guy went from totally not wanting kids to being the one to say "let's try for a baby"... So maybe your hubby will change his mind... And unless he's... not very nice... once you guys actually get to that point, he'll love your child very much. And I understand. Personally, I want a kid before I'm 25, but I'm 22 and it's not looking likely. I'm engaged, but I don't know if my fiance is alive or dead. I pray he's alive, I hope he's alive, but I know there's a very serious chance that even if he lives he's not... physically whole? (If you have a kid before you're 25 you lower your chances of breast cancer by like 20 percent I think) Plus, I have PCOS, which is the leading cause of infertility, and was told when I was 16 that I should be fertile until I'm like 25... afterwards, I'm probably going to be sterile... sighs... being told that when you're 16 really lights a fire under you to want kids young! |
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Pamela ~Sophia Abigail's Mom~ Ratbones Rescue Volunteer |
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michelle_custer

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| 08/21/2008 6:31 PM |
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Posted By singingpilgrim on 08/21/2008 12:05 AM
I've been gone for two days and I wanted to return to this thread...
I'm glad my story helped, even if it made you cry...
And as for what others said about it just being your hubbies mood, it might be... a friend of mine, a few years ago, got pregnant by her boyfriend of only a month or two... but they said they would get married when she gave birth and he was real supportive (they were living together even though they barely knew each other-- she's one of those who flit around with guys, typically). But then she had a miscarriage... they stayed together, at first saying they were still engaged, but eventually just letting that trail off... and he went on and on, many times, about how he never, ever wanted any kids... She's always wanted kids (I've known her since the fourth grade), but she just kind of ignored him...
Well, they've been together for two years and she has cheated on him a lot (he never knew). Then an incident happened, can't say what, that bonded them and she decided not to cheat on him ever again... ONE WEEK later, they got engaged, but not because of romantic things... as a backlash from the incident, they actually found themselves in a situation where they had two choices: get married, or break up. They choice to get married.
Well, after they'd been married for two weeks, he says he wants to get pregnant this fall!
Talk about a turn around... very mood dependent...
Honestly, I don't think they should, because I KNOW they are not ready. Plus, the guy she was cheating with just a few months ago keeps text messaging her and while she's not responding, she's not telling him to GO AWAY either... sigh...
They are not the most stellar couple in the world, they both majorly have issues...
However, it is an example of a situation where the guy went from totally not wanting kids to being the one to say "let's try for a baby"...
So maybe your hubby will change his mind...
And unless he's... not very nice... once you guys actually get to that point, he'll love your child very much.
And I understand. Personally, I want a kid before I'm 25, but I'm 22 and it's not looking likely. I'm engaged, but I don't know if my fiance is alive or dead.  I pray he's alive, I hope he's alive, but I know there's a very serious chance that even if he lives he's not... physically whole? (If you have a kid before you're 25 you lower your chances of breast cancer by like 20 percent I think) Plus, I have PCOS, which is the leading cause of infertility, and was told when I was 16 that I should be fertile until I'm like 25... afterwards, I'm probably going to be sterile... sighs... being told that when you're 16 really lights a fire under you to want kids young!
i pray that your soon to be husband returns safely and soon i was told there was only 25 % chance of me ever being able to have kids and told that i slight case of PCOS its not fun so heres to hoping that it was just his mood and that he may want childern someday just not right know
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My Rats are my babies and I wouldnt trade them for anything in the world
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tauney4

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| 08/21/2008 6:39 PM |
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| I treat my 2 like they were kids they get in trouble too and they get put in time out or i spoill them jsut like i spoil my son~~~~~ |
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Baileydukedavis

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| 08/21/2008 7:17 PM |
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Shane and I dont have any skin kids yet but i promsie you Bailey thinks he is a kid...shhhhh dont tell him lol. We treat all out ratties like our children. Everyone says that once I have kids that I will treat the ratties different. I dont think I will...I love them too much Although Im not sure what we will do about Bailey sleeping in the bed with us once a kid comes along. I guess we will just have to wait and see.  |
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"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown
Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis and Chance Tazman Davis. |
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Minniezmomma

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| 08/21/2008 7:52 PM |
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| I have been with my husband for 10 years, im 24 now. we have went through alot together. and got married 2 years ago. I know in my heart someday we will bw ready for kids but, right now im happy with my furkids. my hubby has just recently told me he wants to try in the next two years.(he has that whole im almost 30 thing going, he's 27) which is very surpriseing coming from him. 3 years ago he never wanted kids. so let your hubby think about it, I don't have a very good chance of having kids and he understands that, but it worth talking about. and adoption is always there to! |
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