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Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 7:29 PM  

Okay so where do I start? Ummm....okay so I left my 1st husband 9 yrs ago when my daughter was 1 yr old. We went through the divorce/custody hearing w/o lawyers. BIG mistake. I got SO screwed. At the time I was only working part time making about $12,000 annually. He was working full time making $50,000 annually. He agreed to take on all marital debt so I agreed to a lower child support amount. Can you see the IDIOT stamp on my forehead? Days later he filed for bankruptcy and didn't tell me. I found out when a sherriffs deputy showed up on my doorstep with papers drom the creditors coming after me for payment.  So I had to file for bankruptcy. I don't know about other states but in Maine the parent that recieves support can file every 3 years for an increase. In 9 yrs I have never filed. Didn't seem worth the grief I knew he would put me through. Well 2 months ago we got into a HUGE fight, part of it over money, part of it over the fact that he doesn't support his daughter in her love of cheering. Because it's not soccer or hockey or anything else that may interest him. He has NEVER set foot in her school. That's right NEVER! In her 4 yrs of cheering, her coaches have NEVER seen him. She goes to his house EVERY weekend but rarely sees him. He is either working or snowmobiling, mountain biking, dirt biking, etc. So anyway, after this fight I contacted DHHS to file papers for an increase as well as having it come directly through DHHS instead of hoping that he remembers to bring the checkbook. He was notified of this today from DHHS. The s**t has hit the fan. He says he is going to get a lawyer.Why? I ask. To get custody he says because there is no way that he is going to pay me a penny more than he already does. So why would a court take a child away from a stay at home Mother for no reason and place her with her father? He says his wife(bi**h) will quit her job and stay home. Huh? Still doesn't make sense! No judge would agree to this I know but I am still so stressed. UGH!!!!! Well if you read all this I must say Thanks but you must be really bored. Any thoughts? From anyone?




gwacie


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/15/2008 7:35 PM  
Sorry Amy that you have to deal with this. Good luck?

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Ratbone Rescue Home Visit Coordinator
and Foster Home
tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 7:41 PM  
Sorry you have to deal with this, never had any experience with it.

Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
Spotter and Pixie Snowball the kitties
Yukon Cornelius


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/15/2008 7:45 PM  

HHmm. . . .Sounds like your ex is laboring under the false assumption that raising a child is not expensive.  He probably figures that it would cost less to have full custody.  Once he has custody he prpbably figures you would pay him child support!  Some men are so clueless.  It boggles the mind how some of them make it to adulthood.  Not having been through anything like your situation my only advice is to get yourself a shrewd lawyer to protect yourself and your daughter.   

Feel free to vent.  Happy to listen


We'll have to outwit the fiend with our superior intelligence.

http://lordmarley08.googlepages.com/home
Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 7:45 PM  
Posted By gwacie on 05/15/2008 7:35 PM
Sorry Amy that you have to deal with this. Good luck?



Okay that made me laugh so thank you!




Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 7:48 PM  
Posted By Yukon Cornelius on 05/15/2008 7:45 PM

HHmm. . . .Sounds like your ex is laboring under the false assumption that raising a child is not expensive.  He probably figures that it would cost less to have full custody.  Once he has custody he prpbably figures you would pay him child support!  Some men are so clueless.  It boggles the mind how some of them make it to adulthood.  Not having been through anything like your situation my only advice is to get yourself a shrewd lawyer to protect yourself and your daughter.   

Feel free to vent.  Happy to listen



The problem with that is I can't afford one and he knows that. I am hoping that when/if he calss a lawyer he will be laughed off the phone. He has NO cause to take her away.




gwacie


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/15/2008 7:49 PM  
Sadly, most lawyers will take the case for a buck.

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Ratbone Rescue Home Visit Coordinator
and Foster Home
talatzkomom


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/15/2008 7:54 PM  

wow! AMY! its so sad for your daughter....that is what they (men)don't get! he will NEVER undo the damage,he has already done to her! All kids want is to be love'd and supported (not money)He will figure it out when she is grown and its too late!saaaadddd!


Linda talatzko
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Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 7:58 PM  

I Know Linda. I have tried explaining that to him. I am the one at parent teacher conferences watching her looking up and down the hall saying, " How come Daddy never comes?". The one who holds her while she cries after her cheering comps because Daddy didn't come to watch. The one who rocks her(at 10 yrs old) on Sunday nights while she cries because she didn't get time with Daddy this weekend.




malta blue


Obsessed
Obsessed
05/15/2008 8:07 PM  

Amy - use your god given brains and represent yourself!

You are entitled to whatever Maine deems is the appropriate amount for child support - and by the way, no judge will hold it against you for requesting that. Petition the court for what you are entitled to. AND - no judge will take your daughter away unless your ex has concrete proof that you abuse her, etc.

I am not aware of the full details of Maine law, but Google is your friend - go for it.

What is the worst that can happen? You are more informed?

My ex and I separated when my daughter was 2 and she is almost 9 now. I feel your pain and I am here to help you in any way I can.

*hug*

 

AMY - I found this website to calculate what you are due BY LAW:

http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/childsupport/maine/

http://www.child-support-collections.com/support-laws/maine-child-support-law.html


"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" ~ Paul Wellstone.
tiggarat


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/15/2008 8:11 PM  
I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

I do the payroll for my families business, and the 2 men we have working for us (labor) both have child support taken out of their paychecks every week. The one guy (very nice, sweet guy) has 1/2 of his check handed over to his ex-wife...a piece of you know what. They have 3 kids together, and she doesn't care about them at all...and uses the money she gets to support her (and her scumbag boyfriends) drug habit. HE is trying to get custody of his kids, but it's almost impossible to find a judge who will separate a mother from her kids...at least around here. It kills me to have to take the money out of his check every week, knowing the situation, but I have to.

Sounds like your ex is doing this just to hurt you...I don't see how any judge would take any claim to sole custody seriously...especially when you are a stay-at-home mom.

Lisabeth

furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.

"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith
Brandy


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/15/2008 8:44 PM  
I don't know about there, but in NC, a mother has to be a LOW down, Scum sucking, Child abusing, Woman to lose her children. (we had a case when I was a teacher, where the child would have OBVIOUSLY been better off with Dad, but the courts said NO!!) I would call his bluff and find a good public defense attorney! If nothing else, do as was suggested earlier, and google your rights!!! Any judge in his/her right mind would see that your baby is better off with you! If I'm not mistaken, you can supeona your child's teachers if needed! (when I was in daycare, one of our sets of parents went through a NASTY divorce, and the Mom supeoned (sp??) our director, to prove that SHE was the one that was there for everything!!!!

You and your baby are in my prayers!!

Life is like a box of chocolates............ So sit back and take a bite out of it!!!
talatzkomom


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/15/2008 9:13 PM  

ok brandy...no fair your STILL in N.c. its not on the way anymore.....I already got the the WEST coast!


Linda talatzko
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Brandy


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/15/2008 9:30 PM  
Posted By talatzkomom on 05/15/2008 9:13 PM

ok brandy...no fair your STILL in N.c. its not on the way anymore.....I already got the the WEST coast!



  Sorry....Maybe you need to come back home!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Life is like a box of chocolates............ So sit back and take a bite out of it!!!
justan0therjess


Newbie
Newbie
05/15/2008 9:42 PM  
i agree with everyone that they will RARELY give custody to a father over the mother unless she has a HORRIBLE lifestyle. Don't worry about it. Also, try calling some lawyers, maybe they'll do a pro-bono or whatever case.. A friend of mine is a lawyer down here but they do like car accidents etc.
talatzkomom


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/15/2008 9:48 PM  

well..I did leave my youngest daughter and best friend and( Niece- Ratty - Lacey)too so maybe .....you never know!


Linda talatzko
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lynnygal


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/15/2008 10:14 PM  
Gosh, sure am sorry to hear about the troubles with your ex husband. I am not familiar with Maine law.....I am in Arizona.....but here, a Mom would have to be an abuser, leaving her kids alone, etc etc to have them taken from her....so I would venture to say you are safe. If you truly cannot afford an attorney then I would represent myself and just tell the judge how it is. Explain that when your daughter is over at your ex's place he isn't there and is off four wheeling, etc. and she cries that he doesn't come to her activities. I too have a daughter and can tell you that it is so important for parents to be involved.....but you cannot "make" him care and want to participate. Just keep a level head and go in and explain the situation. I cannot imagine a judge siding against you if the ex is not participating the child's life. You take care and good luck to you......

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
daisydeux


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/16/2008 7:01 AM  

Stay strong sister!!!  In the end your ex will have to live w/the fact that he was not a father to his daughter.  It may not be today or tomorrow, or 10 years from now, but I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around", karma, what ever you want to call it.  No amount of money or lawyers can take away the fact that YOU did right by your daughter.  Love to see he & his wife shuttle your daughter around to practices, games, etc...that would get old real quick  i am most sorry for your daughter, who has a poor example of what being a man and a father means.  It took real courage to leave w/a one year old, and to have been through what you have...channel that strength, and fight any way you can...my thoughts are with you during this trying time.

Julie

swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
05/16/2008 7:05 AM  
Sorry Amy. He sounds like a major jerk. Lawyer or not, he has no case against you. NO lawyer will take a child from their mother without just cause, and that so-called just cause has to be pretty darn convincing. I would take him for whatever the max amount is that they will allow and smile the whole time doing it!!

Sarah

"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne

Teddy's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/16/2008 7:42 AM  
I would ask around and see if any friends of a friends have lawyers in your area. Or look in the phone book and explain your situation. Maybe there might be one that would do it pro bono for you. If any of them had a heart they should.
k_dmom33


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/16/2008 9:31 AM  
First off if your ex gets a really good attorney and you dont he may try all sorts of things you never thought of. Im watching a friend go through something similar. He may try to prove that he makes more money then you so he is better able to care for your daughter. If you dont have a lawyer he may also make up stuff about you. Anyway, I would try for public defense attorney. I wouldnt wait for him to make a move I would have all my ducks in order. Also I'd get WRITTEN statements from teachers and coaches and such to say that he never is involved in her school or other activities. including letters from friends and relatives. Just in case. He may just be trying to scare you because he is mad, and he's trying to upset you and make you stop. I agree with the others that no judge would rule against you when you have been her major supporter and cared for her her entire life. JMO tho, I would have things documented. Good luck, I know this totaly sucks!!!! Keep us posted and I hope he just drops this ridiculous threat!!

~~Teresa~~
PamWh


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/16/2008 9:47 AM  
Fathers like him give fathers like my hubby a bad name. My hubby has a son from his first marriage who is now 29 years old. He/we had to jump through hoops to get to see him while he was growing up. His child support was quadrupled, yes QUADRUPLED, over the 15 years he had to pay it. When he finally came to live with us the day after his 17th birthday, because his mother was going to kick him out, she cried and told us she couldn't afford to pay us any child support. Anyway, bitter flashback is over for now.

I hope your ex is just blowing off steam right now and calms down some. Just in case, I would check to see if there is any legal aid group in your area that could represent you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if your ex decided to quit his job and be a bum to get out of paying you any more child support.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!




Dinks Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/16/2008 9:59 AM  

Any smart lawyer will tell him that he has no case and will only try to help him negociate child support if he insists on hiring him.  A dumbass lawyer will take his money and try to have a long drawn out legal battle which in that case you still shouldn't worry, you're not going to lose your daughter but make sure you have everything documented and have people that will testify on your behalf. 

HANG IN THERE! 


~Susy~
PamWh


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/16/2008 10:10 AM  
My only worry is that your ex will take out his anger on your daughter. I don't mean hitting her, but he will probably bad mouth you to her or talk about how poor he is and how he'll probably lose his (insert asset here) if he has to pay the extra money.

If by some slim chance he did get custody of her, I would say her cheering days would be over. Since he doesn't value it and doesn't attend her events, it would probably be stopped.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!




Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/16/2008 11:04 AM  

Oooo boy. You all have moved me to tears. THANK YOU so much for your words of encouragement. When I started this thread I really just intended to get it off my chest to feel better. I honestly didn't think anyone would take the time to read it since it was so long. You guys are so amazing. I cannot tell you how blessed I feel to have you all "in" my life. Okay, now for an update. He marched his behind into DHHS this morning I am assuming to set them straight. Hahaha. Didn't go as he planned. He called me afterwards begging me to stop all the proceedings and he will give me $20 more per week and pay half of her activities. He was almost in tears. I told him sorry but NO.  He's scared now. They just sold their house to buy a bigger one and he says now they'll have no where to live. Again, sorry, but not my fault or problem. He says he feels as though he is being punished and labeled a dead beat Dad. Does the shoe fit? I only said that in my head. I am still worried that he may hire a lawyer but I feel confident after reading your thoughts that he doesn't stand a chance in He**. It's just that it will be very painful for Kailey. To respond to some of your comments......Yup, I know they bad mouth me in front of her. If he did some how get custody, cheering would be over for her since he thinks it's silly. I have had teachers, doctors, coaches and friends/family tell me that is this ever got to court, CALL them. They would LOVE to come speak their mind. Oh yeah...MaltaBlue I'm using that "God given brain" now. It just took me 9 yrs to do it. As far as the calculators, I don't know what he makes and it's not likely he'll tell me. BUT, he did let it slip in our phone call this morning that he has some sort of license now that he trained for. Bet he didn't mean to say that. Anyway, thank you so much guys. You're the best.




gwacie


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/16/2008 12:43 PM  
Sounds like he found out from DHHS that he would have to pay MORE than you wanted or something. Interesting his reaction.

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Ratbone Rescue Home Visit Coordinator
and Foster Home
Dinks Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/16/2008 12:46 PM  

Whatever you do ~ DO NOT break down and negociate with him (I'm glad you didn't already....$20 puleeze!!!)  Let DHHS do it for you now, you may be surprised and get more than you expected....you and your daughter certainly deserve it.


~Susy~
PamWh


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/16/2008 12:57 PM  
I agree! You haven't raised the child support rate in 9 years...just think about how much more everything costs now and how much more expensive it will be to raise a teenager.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!




Anabella


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/16/2008 1:16 PM  
Ok I come from both sides. My husband has a child form his ex and I have a child from my ex. We have been threw the courts here in Californai he has no shoot. My husbands ex is a low life who has 3 kids by 3 different men. Lives in a really bad neighborhood, is on housing from the goverment, the daughter sleeps in the same room as her mother due to the space in the apartment and is on drugs. She has her own room at our house we both work good jobs and woould be the better envieriomnet for the daughter but they just will not give us custody. It would take thouands of dollars for us. The thing that bugs me the most is that this child thinks her mom' way of living is NORMAL!! Your daughter is 10 if I read you post right. At what age does the child have a choice of where he/she can live?
alice4512


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/16/2008 1:28 PM  

Amy, don't worry about it to much. My father got custody of me only because my mom choose to bail, sad thing is even in court, from what I hear, the judge was still asking if she was sure she didn't want custody. So even when a mom wants out a court will still try to keep her with the child. I am glad it worked out the way it did. I think I would have been really messed up if she raised me LOL. I am glad I was  with my dad, I wouldnt' change it for the world but he was also very much part of my life, unlike what your daughter is going through. Remind her sometimes it is better when a parent has no interaction, as much as it may hurt  her now, one day she may be thankful for it. The bond you two will  have will be so strong because of this. Good luck!!


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
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