Just one more thing, then I think I am done on this thread. My other Type A  mini Brielle, has 6 generations of pedigree, in her dna folder. Both of her parents, Molly 14 lb chocolate tri, and Benny 8 lb blue tri, were health tested and given clean bills of health. It was not until the third litter between them that a fault was found in the underbites of some of the puppies in the litter, so he was sent back to his original breeder. Does this mean I should never breed Brielle, because of this found fault, three litters later? You never know what generation a fault is going to show up. We are not able to forsee what may be genetically wrong with these pups, or any living being, for that matter. I am not trying to betray the breed, but am trying to do the best I can for Reni, and her pups, till they get here and find loving forever homes for them.

I'm confused .  So have you bred before? Did you own Brielle's parents or buy her?  You got rid of Benny because he was passing on a defect instead of just neutering him and keeping him as a pet??? Maybe I'm reading wrong...I'm just confused...

I didn't even want to post in this because I didnt' have anything nice to say but I do want to say there are way to many dogs out there that need home to bring new dogs into this world "just because".

aww puppies how cute

At least it wasn't on purpose!

BTW the way to keep it from happening is to spay and neuter!  And accidents like this are one reason for doing that.

I am sorry for you son, I truly am.

I still feel very strongly about breeding, especially with all the dogs DAILY I see that come to rescue.

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Sorry, but right there shows ignorance.  You state that you never know what genetics will bring even with tested dogs but your dogs are not tested and you knew ahead of time about a genetic defect, so that is the difference.  I also think that if it was truely an accident you would have said so yourself.  There is so much wrong with it all.....age, genetics....whatever.  Sorry. I can only be polite so long with a thread that so obviously was asking for this.

geeze, accidents happen.

seems like we are all being a bit judgemental?  I mean, lets think about this a minute.  I think we should be careful about breeding, but I'm wondering.  Hmmmm.  My mother had breast cancer.  So did I, and so did my sister.  So, should my mother have been "fixed" and never had me or my sister or my brothers because of health issues?  Should my brothers have never had their children?  I never had children and my sister adopted.  Ah, that's another issue.  There are so many children in the world.  Maybe we should be like the Chinese and only limit couples to one child.  Or maybe no children.  Maybe all children should be adopted.  Get my drift here?  Lighten up a little bit, folks.   Just my opinion.

I've been on vacation and I'm trying to catch up.  It looks like you deleted your special announcement, but I can tell from the replies...You are having puppies.  I know that there are others here who will give you their well meaning negative opinions, but once those puppies are here.  They will all be loved and doted over.  I for one can't wait to see their pictures and I know that you will be a great Mama to your puppies.  Since the loss of your son, maybe this is a new chapter in your life.  Bringing a bit of life and joy to the world, yourself and then being able to share it with others through the love of a puppy.  I know you will find good homes and I pray that every pup comes out healthy and beautiful.  I hope that the other breeders on this site will be able to overcome their criticism and give you good advice as you begin this new journey.  It is hard to find good advice on breeding on any pet website because so many people(other breeds as well)  don't think that anyone should breed.  Good Luck to you and I look forward to reading all of your post about the pregnancy and birthing experience!

I absolutely agree with you, Tracey. Your post is very well written. You can't compare apples to bowling balls... nor can you logically compare dogs to humans. To compare them is to maintain they are equal. As much as I love my dogs... we are not equals.

I agree Tracey and Nora.  You simply can't compare the two.  People have the ability to make informed decisions...dogs depend on us.

Also, while I understand wanting to experience birth after suffering a tragedy, why didn't Donna then choose Brielle, who is old enough to have puppies safely, get her tested, etc. do what was necessary and breed her to a tested, sound male?  Why allow the underage female and too young male (with "iffy" genetic issues) to breed?  Accidental or not - with 4 unaltered dogs in a house breeding is extremely likely to occur and is easily preventable with spaying and neutering.

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I tried to stay away, I did! I did!   But here I am.  And to tell others that they need to stop voicing their opinions when you so very blatently asked for it by posting this ridiculous thread.  One minute it came across as on purpose, then you claim it is an accident, then again.... no it was on prurpose......oh wait, it was on accident and on purpose all at the same time .  Head your own advice Donna.  There is so much wrong with the whole situation, nothing you say or do can make that change.  And if you didn't feel that way somewhat, then what is there to get so defensive about?  You started the whole thread knowing you were going to cause an uproar, and I believe in my heart that you are enjoying every minute of all the attention this thread has gotten.  I truely hope your Type A/B  "toy" ratties are healthy and I hope Remi gets neutered after....an undescended teste is a health risk no matter what you may tell yourself.   Good luck to those poor puppies, but wake up and take a hard look at the whole situation.  This is what we work so hard to prevent.

Exactly my opinion Sarah. Thank you. 

This is just a general statement/ question for those who breed intentionally or accidently.  Have you ever walked into a shelter and actually seen all the dogs in need? If you havent' you should before you breed or even turn your back for a second.

The impact of these dogs needing homes is overwhelming.  I think the heat breeders catch is by those who know how almost desperate the situation is for dogs in need out there. Then to hear that someone is almost intentionally bringing more puppies in this world not only angers us but saddens us. You may be catching heat but look at the reason why. It is for the love of dogs. Walk into a kennel, then you will understand the posts much better.