winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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Noodles n Me
Terrier Terror
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| 06/04/2008 10:57 PM |
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| OMG.. Way too cool. Can't wait. You lucky dog you. |
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There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!!
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libertynjusticemom
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/04/2008 10:58 PM |
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Oh that is so exciting! I can't wait to see some pics of the puppies!  And I have to ask: is Remington related to Emma (Apollo's mom)? They sure do look alike. |
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Jessa~ Mom to Liberty and Justice my two ratties and Blue our Italian Greyhound |
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winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/04/2008 11:00 PM |
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Yes Remington and Emma are brother and sister. Here is a pic of them as babies;
Posted By libertynjusticemom on 06/04/2008 10:58 PM
Oh that is so exciting! I can't wait to see some pics of the puppies! And I have to ask: is Remington related to Emma (Apollo's mom)? They sure do look alike.
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libertynjusticemom
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/04/2008 11:03 PM |
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| Awww-How cute!! |
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Jessa~ Mom to Liberty and Justice my two ratties and Blue our Italian Greyhound |
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michelle_custer
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 06/04/2008 11:31 PM |
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| i cant wait to see pics oh my gosh so cute |
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Id rather have my rattie then any other dog
Mom to Domino and Daisey May
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dtls224
Terrier Terror
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| 06/05/2008 1:54 AM |
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| Congrats!!!!!1 Just as mine are going we are getting more!!! This is so cool......now I can enjoy the picx from the other side. |
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tina224...live...laugh...love...and bark at the moon
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." ~Unknown |
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tiggarat
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/05/2008 3:09 AM |
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cool! Emma and Coco are going to be Aunties...and Aka an Uncle!  It seems like they were just born...so many of us watched them all grow up, from being tiny pups before their eyes even opened, to now Remi becoming a dad. If these pups end up anything like their parents (which they will ), they are going to be gorgeous. 
Congrats, and you know we will need constant updates...and TONS of pics once the babies are born. |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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Sassy'sMama
Firehouse Big Dog
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| 06/05/2008 3:18 AM |
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Congrats! 
Can't wait to see the babies... |
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~~Jan~~
Mama to Sassy
Religion is for people afraid of going to hell,
Spirituality is for people who have already been there. |
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Katie'sMom
Terrier Terror
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| 06/05/2008 3:41 AM |
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| Oh the family is growing. Congratulations. Can't wait for baby pictures! |
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Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company
And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com
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treble02
Pack Leader
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| 06/05/2008 6:00 AM |
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| omg...theyre going to be too precious! Congrats and cant wait to see the babies! |
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~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy
Ratbone Rescues Foster Mommy
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Bailey's mom
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/05/2008 6:40 AM |
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| Congrats Donna, looking forward to the puppy pictures. Good luck and I hope all goes well. |
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~Nancy~
aka Bailey's Mom |
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Paul
Feisty
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| 06/05/2008 6:41 AM |
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| No lectures from me, Donna! She looks absolutely beautiful, and I'm sure the puppies will be adorable. I think that Reni and Remi are a perfect pair. |
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"Train now, or forever hold your leash"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doberdad/ |
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 06/05/2008 7:17 AM |
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| I thought Reni was a type A and Remi was a B? |
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Sarah
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Mitzy's Mom
Alpha Feist
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| 06/05/2008 7:20 AM |
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| I thought Remi had a retained testicle? And yes, I know he can still make babies with that but they aren't supposed to be bred...it's inherited. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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bethann
Terrier Terror
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| 06/05/2008 7:20 AM |
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| Congrats. Make sure to keep us updated. |
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Beth, Sadies pooper scooper |
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daisydeux
Ratastic
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| 06/05/2008 7:22 AM |
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Congrats!!!!!
Julie |
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gwacie
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 06/05/2008 7:23 AM |
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| Is retained the same as undescended MB? I never heard that term. |
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gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom
Alpha Feist
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| 06/05/2008 7:25 AM |
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| Yep, same thing... I'm probably using "horse" terminology. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 06/05/2008 7:28 AM |
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| It's called a cryptorchid, all the same, but it is genetic and can cause health issues. |
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Sarah
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 06/05/2008 7:31 AM |
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If that's truly the case.... you are correct, Mary Beth. Dogs with undescended testicles should never be allowed to breed. This is a well-documented genetic trait, passed on to future generations. In addition, because of the potential for an increased incidence of cancer within the retained testicle, it is strongly recommended that these dogs be neutered. The surgery to remove a retained testicle is more involved than a routine neuter. The veterinarian must literally hunt for the testicle, which may be located anywhere from the area around the kidney in the abdomen to the muscle near the groin.
I know what I'm talking about. Hoss had an undescended testicle and his neutering was pretty invasive. Although I never planned to breed Hoss anyway... my vet did give me a lecture about NOT breeding him.
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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gwacie
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 06/05/2008 7:32 AM |
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| I sure hope he doesn't pass it on then. I'm sure the pups will be adorable (all pups are and your two are very cute)! Donna, just curious, why did you choose to breed Rem if he has this condition? I am not trying to start fights, I am really curious. You said you don't want to be called a BYB but that is one of the biggest complaints folks always have against breeders (which gets them that label) - breeding stock that is not carefully chosen for health and breed qualities. So maybe if you let us know your reasoning, those who might not agree could understand where you are coming from. Just a thought! |
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gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 06/05/2008 7:57 AM |
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Donna... I don't question anyone's "right" to neuter or spay their dogs. I don't even question anyone's "right" to breed their dogs. I'm not familiar with your dogs or whether they have health issus or not. I do not, however, promote "backyard breeding" and I highly suspect the majority of people here don't either. Many many many posts/discussions have been had on this forum in the past concerning this very subject.
But I do know for a fact, that it is not ethical to breed a male dog who has an undescended testicle.... or breed a Type A with a Type B. Now whether or not that is the case in your situation... I don't know. I hope it isn't. Do you have the "RIGHT" to do it? Of course. Is it an "ethical" thing to do? I don't believe it is.
As far as opinions expressed... this is an open, online community of 1800 people. I always figure when I post something it's going to be subject to opinions... negative OR positive.... and by me posting something I'm opening myself up to these opinions being expressed whether they agree with mine or not. It's just the "nature of the beast" so to speak.
I'm remembering very distinctly the discussions which took place... mostly negative discussions... when two blue rat terriers were bred. Did they have the right to do it? Yes. Was it an ethical breeding practice? No...
This is absolutely nothing personal against you... so please don't take it that way. |
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom
Alpha Feist
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| 06/05/2008 8:03 AM |
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I agree with Nora. It isnt' anything personal I would react the same way to any person who posted like this...and have as a matter of fact.
I work in rescue - I see so many sad stories about dogs who need homes. There is no good reason to breed unless a person is doing it for THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED. And maybe you are - how with a Type A and Type B I dont' know or with a dog that might have a genetic problem but maybe you can explain HOW you're doing this for the betterment of the breed?
Anyway, I'm sure the pups will be cute. Puppies always are. I hope you find good forever homes for all of them. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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| 06/05/2008 8:12 AM |
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Her paperwork only says Toy Rat Terrier. |
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DaisysMom
Moderator
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| 06/05/2008 9:00 AM |
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Well, I suppose it's too late to close the barn door, as the horse is already out.
I don't have anything new to add to the discussion on whether or not this constitutes backyard breeding and whether or not it should have been done in the first place. My own personal opinion, to which I am entitled, is that there are enough rat terriers in the world --- too many, perhaps, and from what I've seen, enough high quality breeders already established to insure the continuation of the breed.
I do want to address one aspect of this post in a general sense....it's fine and dandy to create a thread and request that if you don't have anything positive to say then please don't say anything at all; however, there is no guarantee or requirement that your fellow members abide by your wishes. They are free to speak their minds as well, as long as they do so in a way that does not use profanity or is overtly cruel (which no one has done).
Also, if you wish to create an ultimatum, (i.e.: I won't post anymore if you don't do as I say) that is certainly your perogative and you're free to follow through on it.
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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swatson6
Attention Starved
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| 06/05/2008 9:13 AM |
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| Well, there you go. She is an A he is a B, very obviously. Now that in no way constitutes "ethical", but I guess we all have our own opinions on what ethical is. |
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Sarah
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2ndhandrats
Rattie
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| 06/05/2008 9:43 AM |
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I'm assuming this was an accidental breeding? If it is, you should say so, rather than defending your position. There are many who read this forum who are inexperienced and less than knowledgeable about breeding. Those people might mistakenly get the idea that it is "okay" to breed a female puppy during her first heat, to a male less than 2 years old himself with questionable genetic defects. Those people might get the idea that your vet's patella check actually means something at that age, when of course it means nothing. Those people might get the idea that patellas are the only thing one should test prior to breeding. Those people may not understand that breeding an 8-month old female puts her health and development at serious risk. Etc., etc., etc...
If this was an accidental breeding, it is unfortunate, but an excellent opportunity for you to educate others on why it should have never happened....why you would have never done this on purpose. This is how a responsible and honest person would handle the situation.
If this WASN'T an accidental breeding, then the criticisms you're receiving are spot on.... |
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Susan B
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Ratbone Rescues |
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chris
Terrier Terror
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| 06/05/2008 10:30 AM |
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| awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww too cute |
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