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Izzy's mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/30/2007 2:25 PM  

So Izzy is finally a year old this month.  So first off i would like to say happy birthday to my 1 year old baby girl. 

But i have been having alot of problems with her again.  She was doing so good for a while and now it seems we are back sliding into old habbits again.  I have been working alot so we are not home as much as before but i won't be working this much all the time or that often really. 

Tuesday night Izzy got into the garbage and drug is all over the apartment and left some on the couch for me too.  She is also starting to chew on shoes again which she hasn't done since she has been crated.  She is chewing them at night while we are sleeping.  I so against crating her at night because she is in the crate during the day while we are gone. 

Last night i stopped in to let her out before we went to my parents for dinner.  But when i got in i had to call my parents to let them know we were not coming Izzy HAD to have a bath because she went potty in her crate and it looked like she rolled around in it.  NASTY.  She was covered in pee you guys.  So i put her outside first then got the bath going.  Got her all clean and smelling good again and took the crate out to wash it out good. 

I know alot of it is her acting out due to the lack of attention as we have been so busy lately.  But i'm not sure how to help her.  I plan to go get her a wire metal crate this weekend hoping that since it is more open she won't feel so caged in while we are gone and she will have a little more room.  Now i know the rule of tumb is to get the crate just big enough for them to turn around and stand so they won't be so apt to eliminate in the crate.  Izzy has almost always eleminated in her crate even though she only has so much room.  So i'm going with the up to 25 lbs crate as she is just right around 10 lbs. 

I plan to also find her some more toys this weekend.  I realized that all her toys were trown away as we were putting them in her crate and with her eleminating you can figure out how nasty they were.  And she had a kong toy but you can guess what happened to that one too. YUCK!  So i am needing some advice here. 

My friend tells me to get another dog to help keep her attention.  But getting another dog right now is just not an option.  We live in an apartment and would have to pay another deposit plus more for rent then we are paying with the one dog now.  And our apartment is not that big to house  a second dog i think.  We will hopefully be getting a house or condo next summer then we may get another dog but until then HELP!!

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
08/30/2007 2:30 PM  
I'm sorry that Izzy is going backwards some. I really think Nora's the one to give you the best advice on this - so I'm going to move this into the training forum as she usually checks there first since she is so busy. Hopefully, she'll have some more suggestions to get Izzy back on track.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/31/2007 10:14 AM  
If Izzy is chewing up your shoes... it's your responsibility to put your shoes up where she can't get them. Bailey chewed up a few pairs of my shoes too... but that was MY fault for not closing the closet door. Izzy will probably continue to chew off and on until she's two years of age... (this is the general rule of thumb; but it varies with each dog of course).
The garbage -- either get a garbage can she can't get into... or put a baby gate up so she can't get in the kitchen. Again... this is natural behavior for a dog. It's your responsibility to teach her the proper behavior... or put her in a position so the behavior can't happen.

I agree with not crating a dog all day and all night too, but most trainers would disagree with me. Personally... if my dogs are crated all day I don't want them crated all night too. So I certainly can't fault you for this. But I do think your shoes should be picked up... closet door closed... ANYthing she's able to chew up should not be left in a location where she can get to it. If you aren't going to crate her... at least pick the stuff up so she can't get to it.

I'm bumfuzzled about her eliminating in her crate... and I don't think a larger crate is going to help. But certainly you can try it. At one year of age, she should be able to be crated all day with no accidents... up to 8 hours at least. How long is she being crated at one time? Could it be she's being crated too long and just can't hold it?

Also, be sure you are carefully monitoring Izzy's food and water intake. Hopefully she doesn't have unlimited access to food and water while crated. Doing so means she is likely to have to eliminate more frequently. Set scheduled feeding and watering times so you have a better idea of when she needs to eliminate (usually 45-60 minutes after eating or drinking) and you can take her out of her crate when necessary.

I don't feed my dogs in the mornings... only at night. You might try this if you are feeding her in the mornings before you leave. This of course, is a matter of personal preference... but if she's eliminating in her crate, it would be worth trying, right?

Dogs do sense when things are different... when routines change... when new people become part of a "pack"... so part of this could be due to a change in routine and not receiving enough attention. Dogs don't "know" things like humans do. Their behavior is directly tied to their instincts.




Izzy's mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/31/2007 3:41 PM  
Izzy has been on a schedule with her feeding since she got spayed. Before that she would have food and water available 24/7. Now i only feed her in the morning and water when she is out of her crate. This was working well for a long time until this past week. She wouldn't elimenate well at least #2 in her crate. She would do that when we got home to let her out and then would go again before bed. And she has always eliminated in the middle of the night. Feeding time has not changed nor has the routine. there are no new people in the home either. When Izzy was not yet crated i did keep all these things from her reach so to speak. But since she has been crated it has not been an issue again until this past week. She only seems to be distructive when we were gone and she was left alone. Now she is doing it during the night. I totally agree it is my responsibility to keep things from her reach but this is not something she was ever doing in the past during the night. She is being crated for about 9 hours at a time during the day. And not at all on the weekends unless we are gone. She has just done a 180 on us. And as i said before if the chewing of shoes and getting into the trash has been a problem all along i can understand that i should keep this all picked up or out of her reach but since this has never been an issue except before she was crated i don't understand why all the sudden she is acting out? I have been making sure to give her plenty of attention when we are home. And we play with her and pet her and she will lay on my lap and sleep. I'm going to get her a new metal wire crate this weekend and hopefully the sence of be cornerd so to speak won't be so bad. As she will be able to see out her crate from all directions. It could also do the oposite and make her want out even more? I don't know until i try i guess. I also plan to buy her more toys this weekend. we will have to see how things go and i will keep you posted.
3boyz


Rattie
Rattie
08/31/2007 4:21 PM  

I thought I had read in a previous post several months ago that when dogs are around a year old they are at the teenage stage and will "test the waters" so to speak . If I remember correctly, this phase is just that, a phase and your dog will pass through it.  Of course, that doesn't address the soiling in the crate thing, but it may give you hope that these behaviors will pass!   Perhaps it might help if you give Izzy a major workout right before bedtime so she is more interested in sleeping than finding something to get into!  Good Luck!


Mom to 4 human boys - 5 if you count my hubbie!
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:36 AM  

I can't get over how much your Izzy looks like Button! 

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buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:40 AM  

Multiple didn't work.  Now let me try the other two pics again, separately....... Here's one of them....

 

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buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:41 AM  

And here's the other one...........Don't you think they are a lot alike?

 

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buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:50 AM  
Re: the garbage issue, they make REALLY tall bullet cans with the swing open lids. We bought this type at Lowes for the kitchen and the slightly shorter version for our bathrooms. As you can see by her pics, Button has extremely long legs and can get stuff off/out of very high places. But she couldn't get anything out of these! And like Nora said, close those closet doors. We just keep the hallway door to the bedrooms shut all the time. Then we don't have to worry about whether we remember to close closet doors. Our girls aren't allowed in the bedroom end of our house, EVER.
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:58 AM  

Maybe it's just the "terrible twos" syndrome. Button did some pretty quirky things up until two years of age. And yes, sometimes they were random, reversal of previous good behaviors or just plain "all of a sudden" never-seen-her do-this-before things. Remember, 1 dog year=7 of our years. Izzy just turned 7! The next year is what I call the "terrible pre-teens". So get ready. But by age 3 it really does all taper off. Promise! But it took every bit of two full years for Button's annoying behaviors to die down. She's as good as gold now. Hang in there/ They're ratties and ya can't change their nature, but as Nora suggested, you can do what IS in your power to not "give" her so many oppportunities to be bad.

CaseyOtis


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/02/2007 12:25 PM  

Put a teddy bear in the crate that smells like you, or even better an old tshirt. It helps on the separation anxiety.My rattie has only ever wizzed in his crate once when he was little, he was so humiliated by the fact that he did it that I didn't punish him for it. When they are about a year, generally they are set with the daily habbits of your house, so he might try to push him limits(the trash incident) So he might just need some friendly reminding.


You have two hands, you might as well have two ratties....right?

-Summer (Mommy of my two ratties Casey and Lilly)
Izzy's mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/05/2007 12:33 PM  
Well i did go get Izzy a new crate. I got one of the metal ones and got it larger so that she had more room to move around and play a little in her crate. I bought it on Saturday and she has been doing pretty good with it. She did poo in it once but other then that so good so far. I did buy her a new toy just like the last one she destroyed. She has been so happy now that she has a toy to play with again. So i think this has been helping her attitude some as well. If you could only see her. She carry's this toy around in her mouth every where like it is her Baby so to speak. Only she likes to chew on it and her main goal is to always get the squeaker out of it. It is so funny. She seems to be happier with me now too. She has been wanting to lay right next to me and on my lap and will nudge my hand asking me to pet her. She has been so babied the past week and i can see a big differance in her attitude. While she has been still getting up at night i haven't noticed things being drug out or chewed up. So have come to the conclusion that it was a mix of problems for her. One i have been working more and not paying as much attention to her because form the time i get home i have so much to do. Where now i take at least a good 45 minutes to spend with her and her only. I still spend more time with her when i'm still down or when i'm outside doing things but in all she is getting mommy and me time which wasn't happing before. And now that she has a bigger crate to move around in she is much more happy now and since it is a metal crate she can see all around her what is going on. So part of me wonders if she was not closterfobic if that is how you spell that. But she is in much better spirits now. And is so happy to see us when we get home. She is much more affectionate as well. So things are going better i think for us. I will keep you all posted. I hope to get some new pictures up soon too!!.
Izzy's mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/05/2007 12:44 PM  
Buttonbutt. Your little Button looks very much like Izzy. They must be two pea's in a pod. I just can't get over how much they do look alike. It's like twin's seperated at birth!! LOL
Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/05/2007 5:07 PM  
This posting really helped me understand what has been going on. Shadow has started pooping in his crate... I have one of those travel kennels downstairs and his black wire crate upstairs. He pooped in the travel one, so I put him in the black wire one. Same thing.. pooped. I guess since he will be one in November, he is testing the waters so to speak. I've put his crate in my daughter's room at night but he sleeps with me at night and is crated during the day. I'm at a loss but I don't think wants to be in that crate in her room cause it is only when the crate is in her room.

Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
jeremy


Rattie
Rattie
09/07/2007 9:15 AM  
Just curious, what is Izzy's exercise routine?
9 hours in a crate & 8 hours of sleep is a lot of down-time. IME, upping a pups dose of healthy activity seems to help a lot with acting out. Something to try at least. Best of luck to you!
Izzy's mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/07/2007 9:47 AM  
Izzy does get some exercise. Once we get home we throw the toys around and she will chase them for hours. So she is getting some exercise.
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