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GAjen


Newbie
Newbie
08/31/2007 9:13 PM  

Hello all. My husband and I have a little boy Rat "Marco." He is 2 years old. My question is he lays around a lot during the day being an inside dog and spends lots of time with mom until Dad gets home. I take him out 2-3 times a day to the backyard for bathroom breaks and for him to hunt around, sniff grass and so forth. When Dad comes home they go outside and really play hard....fetch, hide and seek etc. I have a sedentary life style. Is it normal for a Rat of his age to want to lay around a lot during the day and sleep some to? I see no changes in urine or bowels and he sees the vet once a month for nail trimmings. He has had all of his shots and yearly updates.  He will go bark at his parakeets and get all excited when Dad comes in from work and runs around. Thanks.......concerned mom.  Ps. he gets Beneful.

Jules


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
08/31/2007 9:38 PM  
My male rat terrier is 2 years old and he sleeps about 16 hrs a day lol When he goes out he plays hard and runs around like a mad man. But he enjoys sleeping most of the day also. he sounds normal to me.

“Photography is about finding out what can happen in the frame. When you put four edges around some facts, you change those facts.” -Garry Winogrand

Been a member of rt.com since Aug. 2005
Paul


Feisty
Feisty
08/31/2007 9:59 PM  

Hi--I think Ratties sort of "adapt" to whatever their owner's lifestyle is for the most part.  If you have a very active day, they can go all day long, but if you're pretty laid back, they adapt to that, also.  One more reason that Ratties fit so well in most families.


"Train now, or forever hold your leash"

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BonitaKaz


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
09/01/2007 12:37 AM  
Welcome to the site!!!

Nibbler is 6 months old and does the same thing. I researched rat terriers before I got him and the one deciding factor in his favor is that I learned that Ratties are VERY adaptable to their owner's lifestyles. For instance, those who have kids around can jump and play all day long, but for those who are couch potatoes, they work as well.
Another thing is that they are adaptable to a farm just as well as to an apartment. As a terrier, however, they do need toys to play with or else they may become somewhat destructive. However, if Marco isn't demonstrating destructive behavior, I think you're ok.
Nibs usually burns off his energy since I take him out every day for at least 30-45 minutes

*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika!
Bokilink


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
09/01/2007 1:46 AM  
Yeah he sounds just like boomer.. he goes thru spurts where he will kick it around the house and be a bum and then he will go thru spurts where he will run like a mad man all over the place...

I wouldnt feed your dog beniful tho I dont think it is the best dog food ever.... I think there are allot of fillers in that one arnt there? (soem one please correct me if I am wrong) I have heard that fillers are bad for a dog to eat and reduce life expectancy... Is this what you guys have heard?
Sassy'sMama


Feisty
Feisty
09/01/2007 3:20 AM  
Welcome to the group....

I agree with what Paul said..
My girls have totally adapted to my lifestyle... I work nights, sometimes 10 hour shifts.. they snooze while I am gone to work...

I would read the the Beneful bag tho...
I feed Nutro Lamb and Rice... no fillers and natural...

~~Jan~~
Mama to Sassy

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Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
09/01/2007 6:44 AM  

Welcome! He sounds perfectly normal. Ratties adjust to their owner's lifestyle as the other members have mentioned.

You might want to consider feeding him something else though - JMO - but Beneful is one of the worst foods out there...main ingredient is corn!  They have a great advertising campaign going and it sounds great until you really research dog food (like most of us on here have done - and switched to higher quality foods.)  Corn is just a low-cost filler for companies to use - it should never be the main ingredient in a food.  Corn, corn gluten, wheat and chicken by-product meal are the first 4 ingredients - and chicken by-product meal is just ground up chicken feet, feathers, whatever from the slaughterhouse.  

http://www.beneful.com/Dog-Food/Original/Default.aspx#shown

INGREDIENTS
Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, sugar, sorbitol, tricalcium phosphate, water, salt, phosphoric acid, animal digest, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, sorbic acid (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, dried peas, dried carrots, calcium carbonate, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, added color (Yellow 5, Red 40, Yellow 6, Blue 2), DL-Methionine, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, copper sulfate, biotin, garlic oil, thiamine hydrochloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite.

There are high quality foods out there like Canidae, Innova, EVO, Solid Gold, Natural Balance, Merrick, etc.  This is a good site to research foods at: http://www.dogfoodproject.com/  And since a high quality food will fill your dog up with needed nutrition quicker they really don't cost any more.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 9:06 AM  
Howdy from Central Texas! Welcome to the forum! Marco sounds normal to me. I read somewhere on the net once that ALL dogs need 13 hours of sleep a day. Only if he's sleeping more that this would I be concerned & discuss it with your vet. I too worried about how much Button slept as she got older (she's 3 now). But we go to bed around 11pm and get up around 6am. That 7 hours. Then she (& Zipper 1 yo as well) snoozes after breakfast for 3 hours (that's 10 hrs). They get up & play hard in the middle of the day. Then they snooze from around 2pm-3:30 when they are fed (that totals 11½ hrs). And of course dinner causes them to snooze a couple more hours. That all totals around the 13hours the article implied all dogs need. Around 8pm they get up and are "live wires" until they go to sleep on the sofa around 10pm! It just seemed like a lot of sleeping to us, too, but we did the math and it is apparently very "doggie normal".
GAjen


Newbie
Newbie
09/01/2007 10:23 AM  

Thank you all so much for your input. We love our baby so much. I will look into changing his food and I can't wait to get to know all of you and share stories. I'm including two photos of our baby.


jensrealm.net/photos/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Stud.jpg

jensrealm.net/photos/albums/userpics/10001/normal_4.jpg

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
09/01/2007 12:39 PM  
He is a VERY handsome rattie!

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/01/2007 1:26 PM  
Welcome!! He is adorable!

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Caesar & Julia's mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/01/2007 5:53 PM  
Welcome to our rattie family!!He is just precious~~

Diane~ loved by Caesar and Julia

"Don't count the days, make the days count..."
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
09/02/2007 8:29 AM  
I agree that dogs adapt ... for the most part... to the lifestyles of the owner. There are exceptions to this with some breeds (border collies for example). My dogs sleep during the day when we are working also (dogs sleep 70% of the time as a rule). But when we are home we exercise them.. play with them... make sure they get enough exercise. Even with a sedentary lifestyle, it's imperative that the dog get enough exercise if he's to be healthy. If all we do is sit on the couch.. our dogs will sit with us. So if that's what's happening... then yes... your rattie will do it too and it's normal. But it's not a healthy lifestyle. I think in this age of computer technology, more of us are seeing ourselves sitting in front of a computer all day (myself included) so our lives are becoming more and more sedentary. Dogs don't have to "work" as they once did.
GAjen


Newbie
Newbie
09/02/2007 10:43 AM  

Thank  you all for the warm welcome and helpful info. I'm a little shy but I'll jump on in here. It's been raining so our PC's have been turned off for a good while.

leosamma


Newbie
Newbie
09/04/2007 1:41 PM  
Hello all. I am Leo's grandma So my name is Leosamma. We got Leo a 1 or 2 year (Rat-terrier ) on August 12. He is cute and playful. When he is excited he tends to nip and someone coul get hurt. We are trying to get him to stop.
On diet. They recommend 3/4 of a cup for the whole day. Seems awful little.

I cooked chicken, rice, carrot, sweet potatoe and peas for him. Yesterday game him piece of steak, potatoe and rice with carrot and peas.
Question. Can I feed him apples and let him gnaw on the steakbone?

He is unable to digest too many of the Milkbone brand chewy treat.
Very new at typing and, posting and my Leo.
leosamma


Newbie
Newbie
09/04/2007 1:41 PM  
Hello all. I am Leo's grandma So my name is Leosamma. We got Leo a 1 or 2 year (Rat-terrier ) on August 12. He is cute and playful. When he is excited he tends to nip and someone coul get hurt. We are trying to get him to stop.
On diet. They recommend 3/4 of a cup for the whole day. Seems awful little.

I cooked chicken, rice, carrot, sweet potatoe and peas for him. Yesterday game him piece of steak, potatoe and rice with carrot and peas.
Question. Can I feed him apples and let him gnaw on the steakbone?

He is unable to digest too many of the Milkbone brand chewy treat.
Very new at typing and, posting and my Leo.
Ski


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/04/2007 2:50 PM  
Posted By leosamma on 09/04/2007 1:41 PM
Hello all. I am Leo's grandma So my name is Leosamma. We got Leo a 1 or 2 year (Rat-terrier ) on August 12. He is cute and playful. When he is excited he tends to nip and someone coul get hurt. We are trying to get him to stop.
On diet. They recommend 3/4 of a cup for the whole day. Seems awful little.

I cooked chicken, rice, carrot, sweet potatoe and peas for him. Yesterday game him piece of steak, potatoe and rice with carrot and peas.
Question. Can I feed him apples and let him gnaw on the steakbone?

He is unable to digest too many of the Milkbone brand chewy treat.
Very new at typing and, posting and my Leo.



Welcome.   My Lucky is 3 years old and weighs 20 or 21 pounds.  He gets about a half cup of dry food and a mix of green beans and a spoonful or two of canned food.  3/4 cup could be fine, it depends on what kind of food it is.  The food I feed has no corn, wheat, rice, or any kind of by-products so I can feed less.  If you're feeding dog food then I'd take it easy on the people food.  If you feed people food instead of dog food then you have to be careful to include everything he needs, including a multivitamin and a calcium supplement.  I feed apples sometimes, just make sure not to feed the seeds, they can be poisonous.  Any cooked bone is dangerous,  they can splinter and cause choking or get stuck or puncture the digestive tract.  The raw steak bone would be a treat for him, and will help keep his teeth clean.  Just make sure to keep an eye on him while he chews it.  Finally, I wouldn't give too many Milk Bone chewy treats. They contain ingredients that can cause everything from allergies (soy) to cancer(BHA). I also see that they contain sugar, which is bad for the teeth and can make them want treats instead of good food.

Maybe a mod can move this to its own topic. 

leosamma


Newbie
Newbie
09/04/2007 4:34 PM  

Ski thank you for your advice. Lucky seems a happy camper. He seems to have afriend. Is that yours too?

How do I ask the moderator?

What kind of treats do you give Lucky?

He gets 1/4 cup of Eaukenuba or breakfast -7am.,  1/4 at lunch 2pm  and night gets 1/8 cup mixed w/ 1/2 rice carrots peas. In between, treats are graham cracker (light), yogurt apples. Ii is difficult for me not to feed him but since I read overfeeding might make him die young I am trying to get a handle.  

What do you get for him to gnaw on in the house. The shelter gave rawhide --but color came off. They also gave beef jerky. Dont know how much to give. 

He goes for his 2 nd distemper shot on the 8th.   

Need to get some outside toys for him.

So many qustions?  Thanks SOOO much for your helpful suggestions.

 

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
09/05/2007 7:32 AM  

Welcome Leosmama!  I agree, the steakbone is dangerous, I don't give my dogs any bones.  For chewing I give them Nylabone chews and Nutrident dental chews.  Also, these little dogs can develop pancreatis if you give them too much fatty foods or sugar (the Graham crackers!!!).  There is a post on foods toxic to dogs pinned at the top of the Health Forum - you might want to check it out - grapes and raisins for example are toxic to them.

JMO but Eukanuba is a low quality food, full of corn and fillers.  I know they make it sound wonderful on their advertisements but it is NOT a good food.  You can research for yourself how to tell if a food is high or low quality from this website:  www.dogfoodproject.com .

 Although chicken is listed as the first ingredient the second is chicken by-product meal which can be feathers, heads, anything!  And the third ingredient is corn which is a cheap filler.  Here are the ingredients from the Eukanuba site for small dog adult food:

http://us.iams.com/eukanuba/en_US/jsp/Euk_Page.jsp?pageID=PRDD&PID=03&TAB=IN

Ingredients
Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Brewers Rice, Chicken Fat (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Fish Meal, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (Sugar Removed), Dried Egg Product, Fish Oil (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source of Vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (Source of Vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid], Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Flax Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate], DL-Methionine, Rosemary Extract.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
leosamma


Newbie
Newbie
09/05/2007 4:46 PM  

First to Gajen.

 

Your babies are adorable. I also want you to know that I used this topic started by you because it said "need advice". I apologize if you thought I was using your thread. I am a total nube when it comes to chatting online or posting.

I will start another thread for Leo as soon as I know how. Thank you meanwhile for sharing.

 

Mitzy's Mom your kids got STYLE and BOW BOW. 

Thank you for your input. I just cooked a little rice in the beef broth from the steak bones with a little grean beans, potato, sweet potato carrot celery and peas. Mixed with his dry dog food that I will change. 

What brand do you use? I gave him the light graham cracker. Only one the whole day. But I will stop. So much to learn including this forum. Thank you for your help.  

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