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rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/21/2007 9:46 AM  

I'm feeling the need to make a few comments concerning your dog's behavior (generally speaking here... not targeting any specific person or dog).  Been thinking a lot about these things this morning as a co-worker came into my office crying about her little jack russell terrier (4 months old) who they left ALONE yesterday ... uncrated... unconfined... while they were at work.  They returned home to find their expensive oriental rug pretty much shredded and are now talking about giving the dog up to another home.  WTH????  Can you IMAGINE what I said to this lady?  This is the same lady who was bragging last week about finally getting Walker crate-trained and how well he was doing!  (when they first got Walker, they thought crate-training was "cruel" and had no intentions of doing it).  Now... because he has been doing so well, in a matter of a week she and hubby decided he was ok to be left totally alone and unsupervised????  I lose patience sometimes in situations such as these. 

Your dog may look like she understands why you're mad at her, but more than likely, all she understands is that she doesn't want you to be mad. To change your dog's behavior, you must remember that the two of your are not the same species. Too many of us think of our pets as humans when it comes to modifying behavior problems, but our pets do not think or communicate the same way we do. And, if we expect them to, that's a problem of our own human behavior that we need to correct because unfortunately that type of thinking negatively impacts our pets and can seriously damage the bond we share with them.

To prevent breaking the bond between us and our dogs, it's important to try to understand how our dog thinks so we can change his or her bad habits with a minimum amount of confusion, frustration, or damage.  It's impossible for ANY of us to totally understand why animals act as they do, but there are some basic things we can ceretainly learn and understand.

Example: Your dog tips over the kitchen trash can whenever he is left alone. You try scolding and shaking him in front of the mess, but he continues to dump the trash, only now he cowers and has that "guilty" look when you arrive home. Well obviously, you think to yourself, he knows he's doing something wrong, right? No, wrong. The "guilty" looks are submissive postures to show you that he knows you're angry, but he doesn't know why. If you dumped the garbage yourself and then left the house, your dog would have that same "guilty" look when you returned. What your dog understands is that he gets yelled at when you come home to find garbage on the floor. He does not understand that it is the actual act of dumping the garbage that upsets you. The same applies to chewing, scratching, or housesoiling.  It also applies to shredding an oriental rug!

PLEASE....punishment is such an impractical and often damaging way of training your pet. Punishment makes your pet fear you and sometimes forces him or her to become aggressive, and it does not necessarily make for an obedient pet.

For correction to be effective, you HAVE to catch your pet in the act and the correction has to be strong enough to make him or her stop after only a few times. Animals have no long-term memory for things like "yesterday, I pulled the garbage out of the can and got in big trouble for that, so I better not do that again." They are truly creatures of the moment. Animals are also extremely intuitive and are sponges for our "bad vibes." If you continue to react angrily toward your pet, trust will be broken and the animal's fear of you will take hold.

Even though pets are not people, we do share a preference for pleasant things. Humans and animals alike catch on very quickly if rewarded. If you stop scaring or hurting your pet when she does something wrong and start rewarding her every time she does something right, you will see a definite difference.

Be sure not to make the behavior worse by using positive reinforcement in the wrong situation. If you console your pet while he is acting afraid of people or noise, he will think you are rewarding him for being scared.

As with most pet-and-owner problems, your pet is probably doing a perfectly normal behavior, like urinating or barking... or being food agressive... but in the wrong place or at the wrong time. You first have to determine why your pet is doing it and encourage her to it some place else or at another time.

Punishing your dog when he sniffs or licks at the baby can teach the dog to be afraid of the baby because bad things happen to him when the baby is around; he could become aggressive toward the baby because he fears the baby; or he could do something like barking to get your attention away from the baby and directed toward him. Instead of punishment, teach your dog to sit and lie down using food rewards or tell him to obey these commands around the baby in return for a chew bone, snack, and/or petting.

I'm no canine behavior expert and don't claim to be.  But the canine behavior class I just finished... even though I've worked with dogs for several years... has been very enlightening to me concerning their behavior.. why they do what they do...

Please... make your training experiences positive experiences... and do NOT punish your dog in a negative, hurtful way.  You are doing more damage than good !

ClareClaymore


Newbie
Newbie
08/21/2007 9:52 AM  
Nora ty for posting this we are really guilty of trying to make Opel feel better when she getsscared and even after we fuss at her and also really bad about getting after her after she done something. This I am printing off and showing my hubby.
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
08/21/2007 9:52 AM  
Those are great words Nora. I tried explaining this stuff to my father regarding his new puppy but he seems to think the opposite of crate training, pottytraining, etc. I will definately be coping this and sending it to him!!!

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/21/2007 9:57 AM  
I'm glad this is being taken in the way I intended it to be taken... I'm certainly NOT targeting anyone specifically or any specific situation or dog at all. These things have been on my mind so much this morning... and just needed to share in hopes that it might help someone... anyone.... in an attempt to avoid situations such as the situation which arose with my co-worker. I think she gets it now... I had a very long talk with her this morning... and they are going back to square one with the crate and discipline.

Thanks so much for taking this in the way it is intended... in a helpful way and NOT in a critical way at all...
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
08/21/2007 10:02 AM  
You are not a critical person Nora! So there is no reason we would take any advice from you that way. It all makes so much sense and I have learned so much from this site, it is invaluable!

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Russ' Pal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/21/2007 10:04 AM  
Wonderful advice for both new and seasoned pet people. It is all too easy to "forget" that your dog is really a dog and not a tiny person.

Could you go into detail on the statement below- maybe give an example of how to make a correction?
"the correction has to be strong enough to make him or her stop after only a few times"

-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca
DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
08/21/2007 10:08 AM  
Thanks for the information, Nora. Hopefully everyone understands that you are simply trying to be helpful and help all of us in our goal of having happy, well-balanced, and well-behaved doggies.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/21/2007 10:10 AM  
This is great, Nora! Thank you!!!

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

swedishfish5


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/21/2007 10:10 AM  
Thank you!! This makes a lot of sense and I am DEFINATLEY printing it off and giving it to my boyfriend since he sometimes gets a little stressed out when Kami poops on our floor... like not physical but he just tells her shes on his *list* and he wont talk to her for the rest of the day

Mommy to KAMI and MACIE
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/21/2007 10:29 AM  
Posted By Russ' Pal on 08/21/2007 10:04 AM
Wonderful advice for both new and seasoned pet people. It is all too easy to "forget" that your dog is really a dog and not a tiny person.

Could you go into detail on the statement below- maybe give an example of how to make a correction?
"the correction has to be strong enough to make him or her stop after only a few times"

 

A dog with a soft temperament will usually react quickly to a minimal correction.

Stronger willed dogs will need a higher level of correction before they decide it’s not worth it.

No matter what a dog’s temperament is, to train against unwanted behavior they all need an immediate clear-cut correction.

A correction that is after the fact or unclear is likely to cause confusion, frustration or fear and will just increase your dog’s behavioral problems.

Once the correction is strong enough, your dog will decide on his own that nosing around in the garbage is not worth the correction.

(make sense?)

Russ' Pal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/21/2007 10:36 AM  

A correction could be like a loud NO, or shaking a can full of pennies, or a squirt from a spray bottle?


-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca
PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
08/21/2007 10:41 AM  
Posted By Russ' Pal on 08/21/2007 10:36 AM

A correction could be like a loud NO, or shaking a can full of pennies, or a squirt from a spray bottle?



Maybe we should specify that ratties don't do well with physical corrections, like swatting with a newspaper or rubbing their noses in the messes they made.


PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/21/2007 10:47 AM  
For the most part, Pam... you are correct. I've found this breed to be VERY sensitive to correction... so much so that their spirits can be easily "broken" if not trained cautiously. You cannot train a rat terrier the same way you would train a more hardcore dog... (german shepherd for example). A loud clap... an emphatic verbal "no"... in most cases will work. Sometimes it takes more... a leash correction or a certain type of collar used CORRECTLY... (as I had to use with Bailey.. an e-collar). MUCH depends on the dog and the dog's personality. I always say "one size does NOT fit all" when it comes to training a dog or any animal for that matter.

ANd...how hardcore a dog is doesn't always have to do with size either! I have seen some really hardcore, small breeds!
Russ' Pal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/21/2007 10:51 AM  
That's what I was looking for, thanks for spelling it out.

-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
08/23/2007 4:50 PM  
Very good advice for all of us, Nora. You're so right about the amount/type of correction is dog-specific, even within a breed. I read before acquiring my first rattie they should never be given physical correction lest that loving dog-owner bond be broken. Usually a loud Anh...Anh (how does one spell that noise? LOL) works best for Zipper (she often doesn't seem to "hear" No). The Clap/No approach works best with Button.
Susan


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
08/23/2007 8:51 PM  
I am so glad for any advice that you give on canine behavior! I am driven crazy on a daily basis by people who think that dogs think like humans. Having a printed something backing up my advice helps soooo much!!!! Mom is stupid you know, but a stranger must know everything?! AARRRGGGG!!! Thanks again! You help me to keep my cool and not murder my daughter-in-law!

ANYTHING WORTH DOING IS WORTH OVERDOING Mom of eight, only three left at home! Pack leader to ten ratties: Maggie, Mysty, Berry, Simon, Ceecee and five puppies, Star,Sari, Bluebelle, Double stuf,and Snortie. As well as Ginger the Border Collie and a herd of turkeys!
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