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Jay Pinkerton

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04/24/2007 4:42 PM
Here's what I'm having trouble understanding. The FDA released all of that information last month about the pet food recall, giving the names of at least 60-70 pet food brands (all manufactured by Menu Foods). So... why am I buying the high-end brand of pet food for my dog, if apparently it's all the exact same stuff with different labels on it? Does anyone know of any dog food I could buy that comes recommended and isn't made by Menu Foods? I'm feeling like a bit of a sucker right now.

bratt

Firehouse Big Dog

04/24/2007 4:48 PM
Menu only manufactures wet/canned food. And even though it is manufactured at the same plant ingredients are different. Open a can of o'roy, then open a can of nutro natural choice, and let me know which you would rather eat. I have switched my girls to Wellness dry with a little can as a suppliment. This wet food is also made at menufoods. I was not happy when I found this out, but oh well. This canned food has no wheat, corn, or rice gluten in it. So so far it has been safe. The main reason I am trying to get away from menu foods is because of their use of animal testing.

Debra~KSSM Queen II Savanna~Princess Easy Street

Ski

Ratastic

04/24/2007 5:59 PM
Menu is considered to be the best at canning pet food. The food that was recalled came from two plants that are capable of making the "cuts and gravy" type food. The glutens are molded into what looks like cuts of meat. The higher end foods were made at different plants. From what I understand, the lower quality foods give Menu a recipe and say "go buy the ingredients and make the food". The higher end foods obtain their own ingredients and only use the Menu plants for processing. I haven't read the complete list but I believe Canidae doesn't use Menu and all the ingredients are grown and processed in the U.S. All Eagle Pack ingredients are EU certified, which I've heard means there's accountability and they can be traced back to the source.(or something like that) Natura (Innova,EVO,California Natural, etc) has said they will either buy an existing canning facility or build their own. I'm currently feeding Innova EVO r/f dry with some Tripett canned tripe and have no worries in doing so. I think this site is a starting point to see who makes what. http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/

Nat

Rat-A-Tat-Tat

04/24/2007 6:07 PM
Jay..first of all...GREAT to see you again! I'm about to start Cookie on the Whole Foods brand..."Whole Paws". All of their food is organic and is no way effected by the recall....at least not yet anyway. I just really trust anything from there. www.wholefoods.com

xoxo, -Nat http://www.NatInAustin.com http://www.myspace.com/cookieinaustin

swatson6

Attention Starved

04/24/2007 6:19 PM
I think I posted this on the old site. Just an FYI: Updated list of which foods are/aren't made by Menu Foods. THESE FOODS ARE NOT PART OF THE RECALL. This info is only to inform people about where foods are made, in case they don't want to feed any foods made at Menu Foods. This information was gathered from various sources, including manufacturers themselves, and is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. Blue Buffalo: Not made by Menu Foods. Canned foods made by American Nutrition in Utah. Dry foods made at CJ Foods in Kansas. Breeder's Choice: Wet products made by Menu Foods, but not involved in the recall. Canidae: No products made by Menu Foods. Canine Caviar: Not made by Menu Foods. Canned food made by American Nutrition in Utah. Castor & Pollux: Organix and Natural Ultramix made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Drs. Foster & Smith: Canned foods made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Eagle Pack: Some products made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Evangers: No foods made by Menu Foods. Merrick: No products made by Menu Foods. All Merrick foods, dry, canned and treats are made by their own facility. Natura (Healthwise, California Naturals, Innova): Has their own plant for dry foods. Canned food is made at the South Dakota Menu Foods plant, which is not one of the plants involved in the recall. They also say they provide all the ingredients themselves. Natural Balance: Not made by Menu Foods. Dry food is made at their own plant then shipped to the Diamond plant where it is bagged. They have thier own people on site all of the time. Canned food is made at their own plant, then shipped to American Nutrition in Utah where it is canned. Natural Balance has their own line at American Nutrion and no other canned foods are run through NB's equipment. Nature's Variety: Canned food made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Newman's Own Organics: Didn't specify which, but said "We contract with an organic- certified manufacturer to make our foods, although we develop the formulations and source the ingredients". Petfoodexpress.com says it's made by Menu Foods but not included in the recall. Precise: Refuses to say whether or not their foods are made by Menu Foods, but they are not involved in the recall. Solid Gold: No products made by Menu Foods. Dry food made by Diamond. Timberwolf Organics: When contacted, they refused to say whether or not their food is made by Menu Foods. Said they can't give out that information. Wellness/Old Mother Hubbard: Some products made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Wysong: Made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Also, Trader Joe's is not involved in the recall, but is voluntarily removing all canned foods made by Menu Foods, only as a precaution.

Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan

swatson6

Attention Starved

04/24/2007 6:20 PM
That list is an older list as far as recalls go but it does tell you what companies use Menu Foods

Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan

bratt

Firehouse Big Dog

04/24/2007 6:30 PM
Thanks for the list. However some blue buffalo products have since been involved in the recall. Due to the rice protien I think. It is still all so scary. Menu foods isn't at fault for this recall. They bought the wheat gluten in question from Chemnutra. A huge supplier for pet food and other feed products. How long before it finds it's way into our food supply? Last week I saw an article on the news of people dying in China due to melamine contamination.

Debra~KSSM Queen II Savanna~Princess Easy Street

Jay Pinkerton

Newbie

04/24/2007 6:33 PM
Posted By Ski on 04/24/2007 5:59 PM Menu is considered to be the best at canning pet food. The food that was recalled came from two plants that are capable of making the "cuts and gravy" type food. The glutens are molded into what looks like cuts of meat. The higher end foods were made at different plants. From what I understand, the lower quality foods give Menu a recipe and say "go buy the ingredients and make the food". The higher end foods obtain their own ingredients and only use the Menu plants for processing. I think I was more concerned about the recent news that the poisoning was intentional. Not to kill pets, of course -- but that a Chinese manufacturer had put this harmful chemical in its meat intentionally to boost the perceived protein content in its meat. Once you hear something like that, even if there WERE no pet deaths, that's a blow to my trust in Menu. They were buying meat from a Chinese producer lying about its protein content and using harmful chemicals to fabricate lab results. If this tragedy hadn't occurred (a good friend of mine lost her cat), this could have gone on for years, and I would have been buying Menu Food at premium prices, oblivious that the actual meat content in the food had been manipulated with chemicals. What I'm saying is: if Menu's considered the best pet food manufacturer, I'd hate to see the worst.

mario07

Bratty Ratty

04/24/2007 6:33 PM
Geez!

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

swatson6

Attention Starved

04/24/2007 6:36 PM
Posted By Jay Pinkerton on 04/24/2007 6:33 PM Posted By Ski on 04/24/2007 5:59 PM Menu is considered to be the best at canning pet food. The food that was recalled came from two plants that are capable of making the "cuts and gravy" type food. The glutens are molded into what looks like cuts of meat. The higher end foods were made at different plants. From what I understand, the lower quality foods give Menu a recipe and say "go buy the ingredients and make the food". The higher end foods obtain their own ingredients and only use the Menu plants for processing. I think I was more concerned about the recent news that the poisoning was intentional. Not to kill pets, of course -- but that a Chinese manufacturer had put this harmful chemical in its meat intentionally to boost the perceived protein content in its meat. Once you hear something like that, even if there WERE no pet deaths, that's a blow to my trust in Menu. They were buying meat from a Chinese producer lying about its protein content and using harmful chemicals to fabricate lab results. If this tragedy hadn't occurred (a good friend of mine lost her cat), this could have gone on for years, and I would have been buying Menu Food at premium prices, oblivious that the actual meat content in the food had been manipulated with chemicals. What I'm saying is: if Menu's considered the best pet food manufacturer, I'd hate to see the worst. Not to defend Menu in any way as I don't like that they hesitated at all in letting this whole thing out,but, they didn't know this chinese supplier was adding this did they? I thought this was not known except for the supplier itself?

Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan

Ski

Ratastic

04/24/2007 6:44 PM
Posted By bratt on 04/24/2007 6:30 PM How long before it finds it's way into our food supply? Last week I saw an article on the news of people dying in China due to melamine contamination. Is now soon enough? http://www.itchmo.com/

mario07

Bratty Ratty

04/24/2007 6:52 PM
Super...I live in SC... GRRR

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

bratt

Firehouse Big Dog

04/24/2007 6:56 PM
Posted By Ski on 04/24/2007 6:44 PM Posted By bratt on 04/24/2007 6:30 PM How long before it finds it's way into our food supply? Last week I saw an article on the news of people dying in China due to melamine contamination. Is now soon enough? http://www.itchmo.com/ I had seen the article on the pigs being fed contaminated food. Chickens now too. Hmmm. Glad I eat mostly soy products. How long before it is in everything? I know imports form China have ben stopped for now, but is it too late? I guess we'll have to wait and see. When this recall first came out, I was making food for my girls, now even that isn't safe. They are just going to have to get used to dry only. I don't even know if that manufacturer in China can be fined for what they did. Too bad.

Debra~KSSM Queen II Savanna~Princess Easy Street

Ski

Ratastic

04/24/2007 7:03 PM
Posted By swatson6 on 04/24/2007 6:36 PM Posted By Jay Pinkerton on 04/24/2007 6:33 PM Posted By Ski on 04/24/2007 5:59 PM Menu is considered to be the best at canning pet food. The food that was recalled came from two plants that are capable of making the "cuts and gravy" type food. The glutens are molded into what looks like cuts of meat. The higher end foods were made at different plants. From what I understand, the lower quality foods give Menu a recipe and say "go buy the ingredients and make the food". The higher end foods obtain their own ingredients and only use the Menu plants for processing. I think I was more concerned about the recent news that the poisoning was intentional. Not to kill pets, of course -- but that a Chinese manufacturer had put this harmful chemical in its meat intentionally to boost the perceived protein content in its meat. Once you hear something like that, even if there WERE no pet deaths, that's a blow to my trust in Menu. They were buying meat from a Chinese producer lying about its protein content and using harmful chemicals to fabricate lab results. If this tragedy hadn't occurred (a good friend of mine lost her cat), this could have gone on for years, and I would have been buying Menu Food at premium prices, oblivious that the actual meat content in the food had been manipulated with chemicals. What I'm saying is: if Menu's considered the best pet food manufacturer, I'd hate to see the worst. Not to defend Menu in any way as I don't like that they hesitated at all in letting this whole thing out,but, they didn't know this chinese supplier was adding this did they? I thought this was not known except for the supplier itself? To me it's obvious that if you have Menu make the food and rely on them to supply the ingredients, they're going to get the cheapest ingredients possible. My point is if you buy the premium food that's got enough quality meat-based protein, there is no need to add the rice protein concentrate. The best foods (to me) buy their own ingredients and just use the Menu plants to make it. I may have to give Orijen a try. They are supposedly superior in quality and own and operate their own production facilities. Unfortunately, it's Canadian, only available in four states, and I'll have to buy it on the internet.

bratt

Firehouse Big Dog

04/24/2007 7:12 PM
Thanks! I just checked out the Orijens web site, and the food does sound good. AND, there is a place here in Tampa that sells it! It's not really close to where I live, but it is with in an area that I go to once in a while!!! So it is doable! Julies Puppy Palace 4313 West Pearl Avenue Tampa, Fl 33611 Phone: (813) 839-7715

Debra~KSSM Queen II Savanna~Princess Easy Street

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