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Jenna Disagrees

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| 06/13/2007 11:32 PM |
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Hey guys I've been browsing around a bit, and decided I'd post.
My rat terrier is 9 weeks old and male. He's a toy rat terrier, and is 1.5 pounds. He goes by the name of Milo.
I really don't want to have to crate train him, as I have 3 other dogs who roam the house freely. We keep the back door open for the dogs, so he always has access to the backyard.
I can't seem to train him that outside is the potty! I bring him outside, wait for about 10-15 minutes, and as soon as I bring him back in he'll potty on my floor. Any tips?
Also. He screams and cries whenever I leave the house or don't pay him attention. I try ignoring him, but his screams have gone on for almost an hour.
Any hints would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!



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Scott

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| 06/13/2007 11:46 PM |
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He is a pretty boy...I personally recommend the crate, but if its not your thing I have know people who do a similar thing with a short leash. They say it works because a dog will not go where he sleeps, but like the crate it confines your dog. My dogs both sleep in their crates and I can't tell you the last time I shut the door on one. They are also indoor/outdoor dogs. Good luck with your training. Oh and walks really help even with a young puppy with all your training start now!!! Scott |
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Ex King of The Red Necks Ex Training Moderator Now sometimes visitor and resident trouble maker. |
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DaisysMom

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| 06/14/2007 6:14 AM |
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First: Welcome to you and your puppy - he's absolutely adorable So glad you decided to join! Feel free to post anywhere and everwhere, and keep those pics coming !!!
Now, I have to say that I think crate training - most especially with a new puppy - is the way to go. There is, in my opinion, no better way to housetrain your dog. Plus, it keeps him safe and your possessions safe while you are not home.
Please don't think that your new little guy is going to feel that it's somehow unfair that he's crated and the others are not. My Daisy (16 mos. old) is crated when we are not home and my other older dog has free roam of the house. Dogs just don't operate this way. You're the alpha of the house - if you say "this is the way it is" then that's all they know.
There are many posts in the training forum on how to use the crate if you decide that it might work for you.
If you're absolutely dead set against it - then i too recommend using the leash to secure Milo to you whenever he is in the house. It is vitally important that he be within your sight at ALL times so that you can correct any misbehaviors like attempting to potty inside and immediately praise any good behavior. IMMEDIATE is the key word as a dog's attention span for understanding what he is being corrected or praised for is extremely short. You need to take him outside for potty breaks, and not just let him out with the other dogs so that you can Immediately praise and love all over him when he does go potty.
Where are you leaving him when you do go away from home? The crying/whiningis going to have to be ignored completely as any attention at all while he is doing so will just cause him to continue the behavior. (Side note: a crate often helps a puppy feel safe and secure while you are gone and can help alleviate anxiety about being alone in a big ol' house )
Please let us know more about Milo - and your other doggies too!!! Good luck. I hope you stick around and post often |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/14/2007 7:02 AM |
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Welcome! Your Milo is a real cutie. I, too, would suggest crate training. Especially because he's so tiny...it will also keep him safe when left alone. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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Jenna Disagrees

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| 06/14/2007 8:04 AM |
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I do have a crate for him, thanks for your input! Because he's so tiny, the crate is a bit too big for him, but it's a cat carrier, it's as small as I could find!
I'll try crating him for the next couple of days and let you guys know how he does. Thanks! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/14/2007 8:11 AM |
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| Oh, I hadn't thought about the difficulty of finding a crate small enough. Can you block part of it off? If he has too much room in there he may potty in it. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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DaisysMom

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| 06/14/2007 8:22 AM |
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I think it's great that you're going to give crate training a try. This post outlines clearly the steps that you will need to take to be successful! I highly recommend reading it, and anything else you can get your hands on as a good start will go a long way 
http://www.rat-terrier.com/Home/tabid/37/forumid/5/postid/3963/view/topic/Default.aspx
As to the size of the crate, Daisy is and has always been in a medium sized dog crate, which even now that she's full grown is large for her. They sell crates that come with divider panels so that initially you can block it off so that the part he has access to is ONLY large enough to turn around and lie down. This is very important, as the reason crate training is so helpful with housebreaking is that dogs do NOT want to potty where they sleep. I would suggest one of these type crates as Milo's permanent "den". The kitty crate can still be used for transportation purposes.
Good luck and if you have any questions after reading the crate training post I linked to, please do not hesitate to ask. Can't wait to hear how Milo is coming along.   |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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swatson6

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| 06/14/2007 9:13 AM |
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| Welcome!! You've gotten a lot of great advice here so all I have to add is to ignore his cries or you will encourage him to cry longer. Good luck with the crate and the potty training! He's a cute boy!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Izzy's mom

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| 06/14/2007 9:48 AM |
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| Your little guy is way to cute for words. Makes me want to get another one really bad. Good luck and keep us updated on your progress. |
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rattytatty

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| 06/14/2007 12:40 PM |
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Different family members have places to call their own. Adults might have a workshop, garage, or hobby room. Kids have bedrooms and family rooms. Milo should have a place to call his own, too. I'm not talking about isolation, but a place within the family activities where he can relax and not have to be on constant lookout, a place where he can be "off duty." One of the best investments you can make is to purchase a crate. Crates are good for supervision of puppies. Just as parents use cribs and playpens to help them supervise their human babies, you can use a crate to confine your dog near household activities when you're too busy to supervise closely. A crate should never be used as a substitute for taking your dog to the toilet area, for exercise and play at regular intervals, or for training. It's a tool to aid the management and training of your dog, not a routine way of life for a dog. The crate can be used for short periods as confinement when no one is home. They provide peace of mind knowing your pup is safe, comfortable, and not suffering a housetraining setback. Crates are small enough to move around the house, perhaps into a bedroom at night. Crates serve as a safe place to retreat throughout your dog's life. Ok... so much for my "spill" about the advantages of crate training. Now for potty training. Milo is TINY and probably has little or no bladder/bowel control yet.... that will come as he gets a bit older. Try setting your alarm clock several hours earlier than normal so your can escort your pup to the toilet. Slowly advance the alarm to your normal wake-up time. Don't necessarily interpret whimpers in the night as a need to toilet. More than likely, he's just looking for attention. If you respond to each whimper with a midnight social hour, who's training whom? At the toilet area, stay with him until you get results, then heap on the praise and rewards. If you keep him on leash, slowly circle the specific toilet area to keep him focused. If he doesn't toilet within four or five minutes, try again later. When he does go in the right place, WAIT for him to finish, and praise him. If you praise at the first sight of poop or pee, you're making a mistake. Your enthusiasm might distract and interrupt him. Wait! And don't fall into the habit of taking him right back inside after he toilets. He probably likes to be outside with you and he may learn to take his time toileting so he doesn't have to go back in. Spend a few minutes outside with him before you go back in. Make it a pleasant experience. A verbal cue such as, "Go potty" or a cheerful, "Do it" can be used while he's toileting. In time, he'll associate this term with the need to go, so you can use it when you're in a hurry. Good luck to you! Milo is absolutely precious! Keep us posted! |
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picklchp

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| 06/14/2007 12:56 PM |
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| He's SO precious!! I kept frank in his crate for only two nights because i wanted him to be in my bed with me. I wanted to make sure that he could make it through the night first though. Now when i'm gone, i just put a baby gate leaned up against my bedroom door. Thats his safe place. My brother will take him out to potty sometimes during the day but he runs right back in there when he comes in. He has never went to the bathroom in my room because thats where he sleeps. |
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bkfrazer

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| 06/14/2007 2:22 PM |
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| He is so cute! |
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Brandi-Cody's Mom
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Jenna Disagrees

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| 06/14/2007 3:06 PM |
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I went out and got a crate for him, and put him in there while I went to work (it was for 3 hours). When I came home, he was crying, but I took him out and he was immediately over it. I gave him a small piece of turkey when I put him in there, and I will everytime (at least for a while). He has been sleeping with me at night, and doesn't potty throughout the whole night, so I'm not concerned about that I'm just going to crate him when I'm not home, as when we sleep, he sleeps in my arms and doesn't move. Thanks so much for all of your input, guys! I'll definitely be hanging around this forum. |
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Russ' Pal

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| 06/14/2007 3:10 PM |
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Oh my gosh, that pup is adorable! What breeds are your other dogs? |
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-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca |
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rattytatty

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| 06/14/2007 3:15 PM |
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| I personally don't think there is any reason to crate him when you are home... but leave the crate door open just in case he does want to go into it... and he will at some point. You might also try a kong filled with peanut butter ... will keep him happy and occupied ! Good luck to you! |
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DaisysMom

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| 06/14/2007 3:25 PM |
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| I agree. Daisy is (now) no longer crated when we are home, but the door is left open - though she has only once went in it to sleep on her own, she much prefers the couch or a lap. She was crated at night for about 5 months or so until she was reliably holding it all night. Now she sleeps with hubby and I, and occasionally my daughter. However, I do keep whatever bedroom she is in shut as well as our bathroom door so she doesn't roam. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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