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GoldRushKennels
Rat Royalty
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| 09/27/2008 11:26 PM |
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Just want to have on record. Most breeders that are in it for the breed not money do and will support rescues in anyway they can. There is a big diffence between those of us that let it all hang out there for the public to see in UKC conformation or agility and the ones that just breed to sell puppies.. |
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Jeff & Janet
Gold Rush Kennels - Rat Terriers |
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gwacie
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 09/28/2008 7:22 AM |
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| Thanks Jeff. |
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gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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singingpilgrim
Ratastic
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| 09/29/2008 12:45 AM |
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I'm all for rescue and don't think I could in good conscious have a non-nuetered or spayed dog....
But I'm also conscious of the fact that the only reason I have a "rat terrier" is because there are breeders out there! I'm sorry if you guys feel attacked. This website would not exist without breeders, because the breed wouldn't either. There are a bunch of bad breeders, but there are also bad rescuers and bad pet owners. Sadly there are people who screw it up and taint the rest of us. I'm sorry you are feeling that. Sophie was a rescue, but she was also obviously bred because she's got a docked tail (not a born docked either) and removed dew claws. So I wouldn't have had her without one of you guys and I love her very much. I'm sorry you guys are feeling picked on!! ((hug)) |
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Pamela
~Sophia Abigail's Mom~
Ratbones Rescue Volunteer |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 09/29/2008 4:36 AM |
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Speaking for myself (and probably for a few others on here) I fully support good, ethical breeders. May Mayfly is from a breeder. We need breeders to continue the breed! WIthout them the rat terrier would cease to exist.
Somehow, this whole posting of new rules from the owner of the site, makes it seem like it is breeding vs rescue. NOT TRUE. That's comparing apples to oranges. If someone wants to buy a puppy from a breeder - great. If they want to rescue - great. If I were able to get a puppy I would go back to Mayfly's breeder. Why? Because, even though I foster many types of rat terriers, for myself I would want only a type B/Teddy Roosevelt puppy. And there's nothing wrong with knowing what you want...unfortunately in rescue even though there may be puppies to be adopted we not know the father so we can't know how big they'll get, etc.
We (most of the members on here) only have issues with bad, unethical, uneducated, irresponsible breeders. And there has been a rash of those posting lately (i.e. "I want a male to breed my rat-chi too", etc.)
JMO
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 09/29/2008 8:02 AM |
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Quite honestly... if I were a betting type of person... I'd wage a week's salary that there are few people here (or elsewhere) who don't support rescue organizations and rescue efforts AND support ethical breeding practices. I support both, and stand by my right to express my opinions concerning both...whether on this forum or outside of this forum.
Also... (being honest here too)... although I admittedly don't understand all the "in's and out's" of both situations (I'm not a breeder and I'm not an "official" rescuer through a rescur organization)... I often don't understand the high cost of adoption fees for rescues. By the time transportation, vet costs for spaying/neutering/shots, etc... and adoption fees are paid I feel like I can go most anywhere and get a dog cheaper even through a breeder. Latest case scenario was Skippy/Nitro (rescue) who ended up costing a total of almost $400 by the time everything was paid for. That's a lot of money. Most of us could put that money with a little more money and go to a local breeder to purchase a dog, or go to the shelter and get one for lots less, IF that is our choice to do so. My co-worker just adopted a westie from our local shelter for a total of $125 which included the adoption fee, neutering, heartworm testing, all shots including rabies. So there are several factors that must be weighed into the equation... whether to rescue or whether to purchase a dog from breeder... or whether to adopt a dog from a shelter...It's a personal choice based on many factors. I certainly will never fault anyone for going whatever route they wish to take when adopting or purchasing a dog.
So in my mind the issue is not whether to rescue or purchase from a breeder. That is a personal choice.
The huge issue in my mind is the practice of unethical breeding... and I feel that the practice of unethical breeding is wrong... regardless of who is doing it.
Different people are adamant about different things. I'm adamant about training our dogs, but I've lived long enough to realize and be painfully aware that the majority of people... although they might SAY they are... are not truly interested in investing the time (or money) into training their dogs. If more people would make the commitment to train their fine furry friends, I PROMISE you there would be fewer dogs in rescues and shelters because they are exhibiting behavior issues that could have been prevented if the dog had been trained. Everyone wants a well-behaved dog they can take anywhere and not have to worry about how the dog will act... but very few humans are willing to do what it takes to meet that goal. Dogs don't come ready-made with manners! So I will always stress the importance of training your dog... but 90% of the time whatever I say falls on deaf ears, and it's just how it is. Some things in this life we are forced to accept (tolerate) whether we agree with them or not. |
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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rattagan's mom
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 09/29/2008 10:10 AM |
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Thanks Jeff and Janet.
Amen Nora. |
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Janie,
Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom
Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L. |
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 09/29/2008 12:58 PM |
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I wish to clarify my intent of my post....after re-reading what I wrote, lest there are those who perceive my words to mean that I feel rescuing a dog through a rescue organization is the most expensive route to take. That is not my belief... and I would not wish to come across that way.
It is personal preference which route an individual takes and how much he/she spends for a puppy or dog. Obviously volunteer/ground transportation would have been cheaper than the airfare route that Skippy took, had that been an option under the immediate circumstances involved. There are shelters that adopt their dogs for $35.00 (Pepper pulled from our local kill shelter last December was one of them), and those who adopt their dogs for $125 (as in the westie's situation I cited). These costs usually include the cost of spaying/neutering, shots... worming. The cost of a rescue dog also includes the cost of spaying/neutering, shots...worming. There are puppies in any newspaper for $50 and up... and there are breeders who sell their pups for $500 or more. There are rescues who can be rescued for $150 and there are rescues who can be rescued/adopted for $250 (usually puppies).
My entire point in posting what I did was to stress... in response to Mary Beth's post primarily.. that I agree it's not a breeding -vs- rescue issue. I think it's an unethical breeding issue.
I support the efforts of our rescue organizations and the no-kill shelters. How much a person spends on a furry friend is totally up to the individual purchasing the dog. But I do not support the practice of unethical breeding.
I obviously did not come across as I had intended, and for that I apologize. |
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 09/29/2008 1:19 PM |
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I knew what you meant Nora. We're on the same page!
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 09/29/2008 1:40 PM |
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| Thanks, Mary Beth. Next time I won't try to OVER explain. In fact, I probably won't comment at all. :=) |
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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GoldRushKennels
Rat Royalty
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| 09/29/2008 2:30 PM |
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I don't feel picked on at all. Just don't want to be lumped in there with the folks that breed just for money. We may only have one litter a year around here anyway.
And if anyone has questions about Ken, Darla and our relationship with rescue please contact Caroline of Rat Bone or Cora of ResQ.
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Jeff & Janet
Gold Rush Kennels - Rat Terriers |
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