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Ingrid


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09/15/2008 10:31 PM  
 
Ingrid


Newbie
Newbie
09/15/2008 10:21 PM  

Hello.  I am so thankful for this terrific website! 

I am asking for help with a brand new 3 1/2 month old RT that I recently brought home.  Daisy is the sweetest creature and we are delighted to have her in our family!  One problem:  our three-year-old Jack Russell Terrier is instincutally trying to lunge at her.  Our JR Terrier, Watson, is a terrific family pet -- we couldn't have been happier with his personality and his demeanor.  He doesn't chew anything except his toys, he is EXCELLENT around just about everyone and is an all-around sweetheart.  Last year, however, he nipped at another dog that a friend brought over to play with.  He only nips (with seemingly bad intent) at smaller dogs, but not all of them.  He attended training classes when he was a puppy, but he rarely leaves our home, and, therefore, isn't as social as he probably could/should be.  There is always so much love for him at our house -- he gets constant attention, runs around, etc, so I have never felt guilty about not socializing him more, but now I realize this may be a real problem when introduing a new puppy.

Enter the new puppy:  Daisy is the sweetest thing we have met (since Watson!).  She is playful and loving -- even her bites are gentle and cautious.  BUT, Watson (our three-year-old JR Terrier) seems to be lunging at her with bad intent.  I don't know for sure that he would hurt her because his disposition is so scary that we haven't let them loose around eachother (it has been three days since we brought the new puppy home).  I posted several messages on another forum, and I was asked if it could be the type of behavior that is aggressive or just something that dogs will do when getting to know eachother.  I am convinced that my older dogs behavior could potentially critically injure the puppy.  I know my older dog well, and I have seen him express the same type of agressiveness around our pet guinnea pig.

Since bringing the new RT home three days ago,  we have tried to gradually introduce the two dogs to eachother.  My older JR Terrier has been so excited, he is chomping his mouth in a strange way that I have never seen before.  Sometimes he lunges toward the new puppy with his jaws exposed.   We let them spend time together sevral times a day (while holding both dogs) and tonight we sat down with the two dogs on our laps.  After about 10 minutes, our older JR was too excited to contain himself.  His jaws flaired back and, again, we were worried for the new puppy.  I know other people have told me that this can be nothing to worry about, but I am very worried that our older dog will badly injure the new puppy.

Sorry to run on and on...any help would be very much appreciated!! 

winnihoohoo


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
09/15/2008 10:54 PM  

It takes a lot of patience. Maybe he is sensing your distrust of him around her, and it is making him more nervous. You need to only do positive reinforcement with him. Do not give in to his meaness. When he is being good, praise him. When he growls, do not encourage him, by reacting in a negative way. Tell him, she is a baby, and he needs to love her. Show him love, not jealousy. Eventually he will understand. Right now he is trying to make sure she knows he is the boss. He just needs to have time to get used to her.You do need to monitor him very closely though, until he begins to show that he is getting used to her.

yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/15/2008 10:57 PM  
YIKES!!! That is really scary!!! I am not a trainer and clueless...but have you considered keeping him on a long lead attached to you or someone..and see how he reacts with the new guy? And giving him a little more attention? JRussels are famous for being "possessive"... needing attention.

Maybe every time he is with the new guy, give them treats together so he associates the new pup with great treats?

They might just have to determine their "pack order" and you will have to control the procedure... for the safety of both.

Whatever you do...YOU are the leader of both...never let that go!
lynnygal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/16/2008 1:04 AM  
Well, welcome to the site! And I have a Daisy RT too! She is one year old now and is just such a joy! I have an older dog who is about the same size....and am glad to report that we never have had the aggresion issues with our older dog. She is 11 years old and I seriously worried how she would handle the newcomer..... I hope our trainer, Nora reads this thread and has some advice for you. I too would be very concerned about the teeth showing, the growling and lunging.... Sounds like you are doing the right thing by keeping them separated for now....but I agree with the earlier post on this thread about maybe giving them treats when they are together, as this will enforce that this is a positive thing..... Time is probably the best thing for helping mend the "ruffled fur" of your other dog. Good luck and I sure hope things work out!

Lynn

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lihuesue


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
09/16/2008 1:39 AM  
I don't know much about professional training, but I've watched quite a few of Cesar Millan - The Dog Whisperer shows and he always says, calm assertive... You might have to make him know that you are the pack leader, not him. Cesar does this thing with his hands to put the dog down on his side to get him to be submissive. He puts his fingers on his neck and knocks him over and won't let him up until he submits. You cannot show any fear or nervousness. This has worked for my female alpha pug dog when we brought the new rattie, Luke home. It will take time, be patient. Now they are the best of friends... most of the time... sometimes Luke gets on her nerves and she lets him know, but she doesn't hurt him. She will knock him over and have her mouth on his neck and will just hold him there until he gets the message... she's tired and does not want to play anymore. Luke will poke at her with his nose... strangest thing I've seen in a while. She just gets tired of it... I'm happy to say they really all have each others back. When one gives a special bark that means business (like someone walking by that shouldn't be there), they are all out at the fence w/in seconds.

Good Luck and be patient, using calm assertiveness.
tiggarat


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
09/16/2008 2:46 AM  
Welcome! I'm so sorry you're having so much trouble with your JR accepting the new pup. Generally, it takes a few weeks for dogs to work out pack order and accept each other...you're only a few days into it, it will get better. I would try to wear the JR out by taking a long walk with him (I know it's not always easy to tire out a JR ) before you put the 2 together...he might be in a calmer state then. I know that Cesar Milan always walks 2 dogs together that don't really get along so that they can get into the "pack mentality" but this might not be an option if your pup hasn't had all her puppy shots...but once she does, it's worth a try.
I'm sure Nora will have more ideas when she checks in.

Lisabeth

furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.

"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith
tauney4


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/16/2008 7:24 AM  
gosh i cant help you but i know there are otheres here who can. all i can say is goodlluck to you and i cant wait to see pics of her!!!!!
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/16/2008 7:44 AM  
Welcome to the site, looking forward to seeing your pups. Many older dogs don't like puppies. Just keep it slow, he'll get used to the pest.

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
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rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
09/16/2008 8:33 AM  
A dog who has had the house and family to himself may not welcome another dog in his "den," and may resent having to share his family's attention. You need to give it time. A few days is not enough time. It will probably take a least a couple of weeks before he fully accepts her as a new member of the house and family.

For the first one to two weeks, always watch the interactions between the dogs. Do not leave them alone together until you are sure they are comfortable with each other. Remember your first dog has established habits, so take both on walks, feed meals separately, and play with them at the usual times. This will help your first dog see that the new one is not a disruption to his normal day.

While it is great if the dogs become fond of one another, don't forget to spend time with each of them, apart from the other. You want their primary bond to be with you, not the other dog, so get in some quality one-on-one time.

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
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