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treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 9:45 AM  

Well, I dont know any better place to go but here...I know you guys may have strong feelings about this, but hear me out...

When I asked Michael about being a foster home for Skippy...it was going to be for about 2-3 weeks.  He had a GOOD application pending and Michael was agreeable to it (2-3 weeks being a good amoount of time to see how fostering goes) Plus there was another foster home on "back up" for August 17th when she got back from vacation...

The application fell through, but immediately, my co-worker was extremely interested, filled out the app, went through the process and then changed her mind. 

Many of you probably remember every step of the story. 

Well, now, its been since August 6th and Skippy is such a great boy, Michael really likes him and has been a GREAT SPORT ......

BUT...

He doesnt feel as strongly about the fostering thing as I do and he feels like he never made this long term committment like it is becoming.  And its true, he didnt.  He agreed to a short term placement while the app went through or until another volunteer could take him on August 17th. 

Well, I told that wonderful volunteer that we were just going to keep him because my co-worker decided not to take him.

Its a touch situation because although he hasnt outright said "get him out of here" ...he has hinted that his patience is wearing thin...and wether or not he has reasons that you or I agree with, he isnt fully on board.  He has also said that he has decided that without a yard, three is too many!!!

I would feel terrible moving SKippy to another foster home (just another unnecessary transition) but I hate for Michael to start resenting me or SKippy or something. 

I have to respect him...this is HIS home just as much as MINE and HE takes care of the dogs 50% of the time.  We work opposite shifts.   Just so you know...I am not looking for "Michael bashing" comments, just advice from rattie lover to rattie lover...

I feel like a failure to a foster dog....I feel terrible....


~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

alice4512


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
09/09/2008 9:51 AM  

Well Mary the whole situation stinks. You were trying to do the right thing for Skippy and the apps and potential homes fell threw. No fault of yours. If everything went the way it "should have" you or Michael wouldn't be in this situation. Nothing ever goes the way it should though does it.

Is Michael completely opposed to keeping all 3?? Maybe you can get a new house out of it LOL!

I have no advice but I do agree with you that transitioning Skippy now could be more hurt than help where the dog is involved. I dont' know just sympathize with you. ((Hugs))


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue
PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
09/09/2008 9:57 AM  
So right now there is no application pending or interest in adopting Skippy from anyone? I understand both sides of this (I'm a Libra) and I know it's hard on both of you. Y'all should sit down and calmly talk it out. Maybe Michael would agree to keep Skippy until he's adopted by someone if you agree that you won't foster again until you guys are in a house with a yard. You can still help with home evaluations and transports until then.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 9:57 AM  
Maybe you can get a new house out of it LOL!

Hey, if someone can help us buy a house with a yard...I will take as many fosters as possible! LOL
No, but I DID mention that would solve our problems...but we just bought this one last summer and are struggling month to month with bills.....*sigh*
thanks Val!! ((HUGS))

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 10:00 AM  
Yes Pam...thats exactly what I am thinking. I wouldnt consider fostering again knowing how he feels about it. I already help with transports and I will definitly be volunteering for more in the future....
there are no pending applications...I think there is "interest" but I dont know how serious! hehe...im trying...really I am!!!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/09/2008 10:04 AM  
I understand Mary. That is why I have only ushed hubby so far. I would hate for him to finally cave and then be in the same situation. I am sure Michael is just frustrated, it is a lot of work. He will feel so much better when Skippy finally gets a loving home. Sit down and talk to him about how you feel, I am sure he will stick it out for Skippy.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Dinks Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/09/2008 10:09 AM  

I wish I had a solution for you or at least something encouraging to say Mary.  Maybe right now is not the right time to foster....I honestly don't know how you manage 2 dogs (and now 3) in a 3rd floor condo.....I live in a house with a large yard and having one dog is all I can handle (but that's just me) and whenever I bring up getting another pup the hubby is not on board so I have to respect his feelings b/c taking care of dogs are as much responsibility as kids and right now one dog and one child are enough for us....but as for you....maybe later on down the road when you two get a house, Michael will change his mind about fostering. 

As for the now (Skippy) can that other foster lady take him?  You're doing a great job with him and have given his life so much value now that I'm sure he'll make a wonderful pet for somebody.  I just hope they're worthy of him!!


~Susy~
http://www.myspace.com/pbrluvr
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/09/2008 10:13 AM  
You were signed up to temp foster. Post over to RBR, explain that you were signed up to temp foster, remind them that you kept him cause he had 2 aps so you thought he was going to go fast. Tell them you live in an apartment and though Skippy is wonderful, having 3 dogs in an small place is putting strain on your relationship and can someone take him. He'll be ok, moving will just keep him socialized.

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 10:18 AM  
You were signed up to temp foster. Post over to RBR, explain that you were signed up to temp foster, remind them that you kept him cause he had 2 aps so you thought he was going to go fast. Tell them you live in an apartment and though Skippy is wonderful, having 3 dogs in an small place is putting strain on your relationship and can someone take him. He'll be ok, moving will just keep him socialized.

have you been doing this a while? hehe...kidding Bethany....you make it sound so easy....I guess thats all it would take....I did email the woman who was going to take him on the 17th...Ill wait to hear back from her and then post it.....thanks so much everyone...im emotional today...I dont feel too good, plus this....you all are so wonderful and encouraging and positive......(((HUGS)))

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
09/09/2008 10:23 AM  
Mary: I'm sorry things fell through for Skippy. I agree with Pam, and would explain to Michael that you understand how he feels and that you didn't expect Skippy to be with you this long, but that you think it's important for him to stay in one place for now until a permanent adopter is found and that you will forego fostering any more dogs after Skippy is gone until you have more space.

Good luck.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/09/2008 10:25 AM  
LOL well yes, you know that. I've been involved with dog rescue for many years. Thing is, you wanted to try it out so you did and now you know that, right now, fostering is not for you. Down the road who knows but not right now. Just try to keep Michael from resenting Skippy meanwhile, since it isn't his fault. Sometimes people blame the critter or it shows in their attitude.

Hugs, no worries, it will all work out.

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
lynnygal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/09/2008 10:25 AM  
This is a tough situation Mary. More dogs=more work....temp or permanent....and I don't know how you do it in a condo! WOW! Seems like Skippy has made some great progress wth you guys.... Maybe see if the other foster gal who was going to take him would take him now.....and then I'd help in other ways....transporting or whatever....but probably avoid the fostering situation since it isn't working out with your husband. Good luck....

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
09/09/2008 10:35 AM  

Bethany's right Mary.  You agreed to temp foster...ask your state coordinator to line up another foster home for Skippy.  It may take days or even a few weeks but another foster home will open up.  And it won't hurt him....you've done a good job with him and he will go to his next foster home better socialized than when you first got him.  And who knows? While you're waiting for a foster home to open he may well get adopted.

The longest time I've had a foster was 10 weeks (Gavin) but maybe adoptions are slowing down again...it seems that again there are rat terriers coming out of the woodwork....but geez, if you've been doing this from a 3rd floor condo!!?? with 3 dogs....that's a lot of work.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
09/09/2008 10:59 AM  

Mary, I know I haven't been here as much as I used to, but I just wanted to applaud you for your efforts with Skippy.  We live in a two story home with a fenced in back yard and couldn't imagine being in a condo.  I know first hand that 3 takes hard work, patience, and a lot of cheese ( lol )                At first  we  didn't think Indie would work out.... he had a SERIOUS food aggression issue.  Brad's patience with Indie was growing thin.  He never said so but I could see it in his eyes.  Granted, Skippy is a foster and Indie was ours I know there is a difference.  But I did have to sit Brad down and explain him that I was working very diligently with Indie and things WOULD improve.  I hope no matter what ( rather you keep Skippy longer or find a new foster for him ) you know that you have done a wonderful job with him and I again applaud you.  Hugs!


"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


Noodles n Me


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/09/2008 11:03 AM  
Oh Mary, I'm so sorry for you, and yes for Michael too. It can't be easy for either of you. I have no advice just wanted you to know I understand. Wish i could do more.

There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!!
cat
Pam&Maggie


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/09/2008 11:08 AM  

Mary would it help if Michael knew someone will be adopting Skippy if she can get him a ride out here end of October? I am really interested in Skippy SERIOUSLY! If thats not soon please let me know. I will take up a collection if need be to get him out sooner. Do Ratbone volunteers get a discount on adoption fees?

If you want I will fill out an app right now.


The Rat Patrol
Pam, Maggie, Kidd Roo, Nitro and Rudy
Ratbones Rescue Volunteer
Ratbonerescues.com
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 11:14 AM  
LOL Pam...I just emailed you...
I am sure it would help if there were a "date"...I dont mean to push this on you Pam....it will work out for little skipster! ask any questions you would like.....

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

Daxter


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/09/2008 11:49 AM  
Mary, sorry to hear about your situation, I can undersatnd that living in a condo with 3 dogs is a hard. I live in a condo too but with only 1 dog, so I can sympathize with you, specially since we don't have a yard. What you do for Skippy is wonderful and he will be grateful for you forever. I hope he can be adopted soon, so you don't have to transfer him to another foster. Good luck!

Monica & Daxter
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/09/2008 12:00 PM  
Actually Pam, if you are serious about him I'd recommend you start the process now. it can sometimes take a while to get a dog through the entire process (application, interview, reference check, home visit etc etc). You can usually fly a dog on Continental for about $200 (in a pressurized air conditioned cargo area).

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/09/2008 12:01 PM  
mary, i had this exact conversation with my wife last night... sue had posted of skip, a m ratty in bklyn needinga home from bklyn... there is no one down here and we are about 1 hr away... i told sue i would ask to see if we can temp foster, at least be a transition point and give RBR another 2-3 weeks to place him beyond what this guy was giving them... THE TIME FACTOR SET IN WITH MY WIFE.... she was oh yes yes yes but what if... what if 2-3 weeks becomes 2-3 months and so on... we couldnt afford it... even for just food... ultimately she new she couldnt handle it and was very upfront. as mucha s we both want to help i am more pationate about it and she was honest about it... so we cant help.

think of it this way... it may be strange/negative fora dog to keep "shifting hands" but its better that then the dog be PTS or a stray... you have been able to shed a new light on this dogs life for however long its been and another chapter for him will start... he has learned love from you guys and will learn more love from teh next. i think you need to contact RBR and see what can be done to move him along.

mary... you did good. dont feel bad about this situation.

"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
09/09/2008 12:02 PM  
Pam -- I THINK you are the person I recommended Skippy to on the ActionRats list.... for possible agility or flyball? I'd take this little guy in a heartbeat for that purpose if I could. I think he would be great.

Are you, by chance, the same lady?

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
Pam&Maggie


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/09/2008 12:17 PM  

I am on Actionrats and I think you did recommend him but I'm not sure to whom. I've been watching Skippy for quite some time. Just so you all know who I am too, I actually am a volunteer and Foster parent for Ratbone Rescues. I've been holding off applying for Skippy because I am trying to save some money for fostering etc. by having someone who is coming out for the Nationals in October bring Skippy out with them. That is if he was still available. I thought he'd be already snapped up in a second he is such a cutie and good boy.

If this works out, I'd love to have Skippy as a permenant resident. I've also got the 3-legged baby from New York coming out probably the end of the week to foster, and maybe even Skip from New York (the owner turn-in). I am fortunate as I live in a house with a nice yard and no spouse I have to consider. I was married though for 13 years though and I know it's important to compromise with your loved ones. So I feel for Mary and her delimma. I think she's done a great job with Skippy and I'm sure this will all get ironed out the best for everyone.


The Rat Patrol
Pam, Maggie, Kidd Roo, Nitro and Rudy
Ratbones Rescue Volunteer
Ratbonerescues.com
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 12:22 PM  
Nora, are you going to AZ for the agility thing by chance??

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/09/2008 12:23 PM  
Well October is gonna be here in NO time! Of course are an RBR foster home you don't need the HV since you've done that. But to my knowledge there is no discount for RBR members when they adopt. You can certainly always ask though!

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
09/09/2008 12:25 PM  
I recommended him to Judy.... she said "someone" was interested in a dog for agility purposes, and I immediately thought of Skippy and how I felt he would be a good candidate!

Pam... I'd love to see this work out for you. Maybe the process can be started now, and Mary can agree to keep him until then if she has a target date? It would indeed be nice if transportation costs could be avoided. I've been watching this little guy for awhile too... since the very beginning with I discussed the situation with Bethany when euthanization was being considered. Thank GOD that did not happen.

I'm going to PM you my email address... I'd like to help with this if I can.

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
09/09/2008 12:44 PM  
Just so you know - I've had fosters adopted and then had to keep them for several weeks after they'd been "official"...whether because the adopters were moving, going on vacation first and didn't want to kennel them, etc. I try not to keep the dogs too long because it affects my abillity to take in another foster in need BUT in Mary's case if she's not going to be taking in another foster then it shouldn't matter.

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
melo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/09/2008 12:46 PM  
Mary I am sorry for your prediciment.

I too live in an apartment--I had my hands on the computer wanting to take the one in brooklyn and I did not send it, because I do not feel I can handle two in an 8th floor apt.

Is there a trustworthy youngster/ around who can help out?? I would be willing to donate, for a baby sitter or something that could take away the strain--I am in decent shape here and want to do more for the babies that I cannot help fostering---

Nora--I need to (or would like to) talk to you more about the agility community--Nora is doing very well, she even likes the seesaw, which freaks out must other pups. to bad she does not have some one in shape (not me) to really run her through. I wonder if I could come go somewhere where people like to work with these dogs and I could watch!!!!

Sorry for going off topic, let me know if I can help, Mary






Nora's mommie --
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rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
09/09/2008 12:50 PM  
Maybe if Mary knows for sure this is going to happen in October, her BF would be more open to keeping him a bit longer?

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
09/09/2008 12:52 PM  
yes Nora, I think that would help....I just feel so bad....grrr....
I hope this all works out!!!!!!! I love this little guy!
Thanks for all your help and support rattie friends....your understanding is amazing!!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
PROUD Ratbone Rescues Volunteer!!!

rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
09/09/2008 12:54 PM  
A bit off topic for this thread. I'll pm you my email address, ok? Don't wish to hijack this thread...

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
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