|
|
Ratty Messages
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
Recent Photos/Videos
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
Recent 'Just Chat'
|
 |
|
|
|
If you need help, or have questions, comments or suggestions, please post in the Rat-Terrier.com Info and Help forum.
General Moderators:
Lance
Morgan
Tracey
Training Moderator:
Nora
|
|
You're Not Alone
|
 |
|
 |
Membership: |
 |
Latest:
Myy |
 |
New Today:
2 |
 |
New Yesterday:
5 |
 |
Overall:
2459 |
 |
People Online: |
 |
Visitors:
44 |
 |
Members:
14 |
 |
Total:
58 |
Online Now:
01: Morgan
02: Apollo's Mommy
03: PamWh
04: Mia and Zinnia
05: RockysMom
06: kp_in_scott
07: SuzieRedhead
08: GothGirl
09: talatzkomom
10: farmergurlyo
11: ivy
12: devildog
13: finnsmum
14: Myy
|
|
|
 |
|
|
Rat-Terrier.com
|
 |
|
| Author |
Messages |
|
Nat

 Rat-A-Tat-Tat

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:25 PM |
|
Today Ryan told me that Cookie is an unhappy dog because of the way she acts...meaning her agressiveness towards food and bones. He says that I treat her too much like a "human" and that dogs want to be treated like "dogs"...and that means she's unhappy. I understand where he is coming from (and he loves Cookster and vice-versa)...he watches alot of Dog Whisperer. He thinks she's way too spoiled and that I need to be pack leader...not her. Which I agree with...except I don't believe she is either the "pack leader" in our household NOR is she unhappy.
Thoughts? This really hurt my feelings kind of........ |
|
xoxo, -Nat
http://www.NatInAustin.com http://www.myspace.com/cookieinaustin
|
|
|
justan0therjess

 Rat Royalty

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:33 PM |
|
| take everything you do for cookie and take it away. you dont feed her. you dont pet her. no cuddles. no walks. no playmate. do you think shed be happy then?? yes we go a bit overboard with soiling sometimes but they spoil us too with their love. |
|
|
|
|
Brandy

 Firehouse Big Dog

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:39 PM |
|
I guess I can see both sides of this. I KNOW that you love Cookster, and she KNOWS that you love her....but with that being said....Max does seem to get "unhappy" and "ill" sometimes...it is those times that I realize that I treat him like a miniature kid. HE (and this does NOT mean that the Cookster feels this way) is much happier when **I** am the alpha and when **I** am the leader. Don't let you feelings be hurt...it's just like raising kids...EVERYONE has their own idea's on how it should be done!! Smooches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
PROUD Home Visit Coordinator for Ratbone's Rescue!!
This is Pirate Country, we bleed Purple and Gold!!!!!
GO ECU!!! |
|
|
justan0therjess

 Rat Royalty

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:42 PM |
|
| see i think im biased because its just joleigh and i living alone, lol, i also can never resist her cuddle... i feel like i was a bit harsh, i meant no offense.. apologies!! |
|
|
|
|
tiggarat

 Bratty Ratty

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:52 PM |
|
some dogs are just possessive over food/toys, but when it comes to the point where they won't allow their humans to touch any of their "stuff" it's a problem (trying to bite or nip at someone when they try to take the food/toy away...big no-no). my old guy Buddy was possessive of his food towards the other dogs (which was fine with me because he had meds mixed in...the others didn't need it), BUT he always let me pick the bowl up or move it if I had too. my point is (snd maybe Ryan's point too) that you should be able to take "her" stuff away if you need to without her putting up a fuss. maybe unhappy isn't the best word he could have used here....I think "anxious" fits better. she has so much anxiety over guarding her stuff that she can't fully relax. does that make more sense? |
|
Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie) Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
|
|
winnihoohoo

 Bratty Ratty

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:59 PM |
|
| Does Ryan own a dog? You know Cookie better than anybody. She was Katrina survivor. She deserves to be spoiled, but you do need to be the boss, not her. |
|
|
|
|
rattytatty

 Training Moderator

 |
| 06/24/2008 7:59 PM |
|
| I'm not in a position to know... so really can't comment. I do remember a long time ago you were very concerned about Cookie's food aggression and I gave you some suggestions as to some things to do to help correct this behavior. Did those things work at all? |
|
~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
|
|
Nat

 Rat-A-Tat-Tat

 |
| 06/24/2008 8:11 PM |
|
Posted By rattytatty on 06/24/2008 7:59 PM
I'm not in a position to know... so really can't comment. I do remember a long time ago you were very concerned about Cookie's food aggression and I gave you some suggestions as to some things to do to help correct this behavior. Did those things work at all?
Your suggestions were awesome Nora...and I did try them. Hand feeding, etc. It didn't work though. Like I cannot even get near her when she is eating in fear that my hand will be torn off.
The whole conversation started today when I was telling him that Cookie is NOT happy about Jake being home. She's very possesive towards me and sits and "waits" for him to come downstairs....when he does she gets right next to me and starts growling. Jake has been instructed to not even look or pay attention to her.
Another example is that whenever I'm playing "toys" with Simey (my kitty) she gets extremely upset; will start howling and pacing, etc. Like I can only play "toys" with her.
See when Cookie and I are all by ourselves she is awesome....really the sweetest dog I've ever met. It's when others are around. It drives me crazy because I can't even go to the bathroom w/out her clawing down the door.....she HAS to be around me at all times.
But yet she is fine when I leave her during the day; never tears up anything, etc. She gets on the couch and will stay there all day until I get home.
I know that Ry is right....I need to get her trained.
But I just hate the fact that she might be unhappy.  |
|
xoxo, -Nat
http://www.NatInAustin.com http://www.myspace.com/cookieinaustin
|
|
|
Brandy

 Firehouse Big Dog

 |
| 06/24/2008 9:10 PM |
|
Posted By Nat on 06/24/2008 8:11 PM
Posted By rattytatty on 06/24/2008 7:59 PM
I'm not in a position to know... so really can't comment. I do remember a long time ago you were very concerned about Cookie's food aggression and I gave you some suggestions as to some things to do to help correct this behavior. Did those things work at all?
Your suggestions were awesome Nora...and I did try them. Hand feeding, etc. It didn't work though. Like I cannot even get near her when she is eating in fear that my hand will be torn off.
The whole conversation started today when I was telling him that Cookie is NOT happy about Jake being home. She's very possesive towards me and sits and "waits" for him to come downstairs....when he does she gets right next to me and starts growling. Jake has been instructed to not even look or pay attention to her.
Another example is that whenever I'm playing "toys" with Simey (my kitty) she gets extremely upset; will start howling and pacing, etc. Like I can only play "toys" with her.
See when Cookie and I are all by ourselves she is awesome....really the sweetest dog I've ever met. It's when others are around. It drives me crazy because I can't even go to the bathroom w/out her clawing down the door.....she HAS to be around me at all times.
But yet she is fine when I leave her during the day; never tears up anything, etc. She gets on the couch and will stay there all day until I get home.
I know that Ry is right....I need to get her trained.
But I just hate the fact that she might be unhappy. 
I don't neccesarily agree with the fact that because she is doing this that she is "unhappy". I do agree she needs to have some training, IF it is affecting how Jake is "allowed" to interact with you, but that doesn't mean that she is unhappy. It just means that she is protective. I think that there is definitely a "middle ground" here.!!  |
|
PROUD Home Visit Coordinator for Ratbone's Rescue!!
This is Pirate Country, we bleed Purple and Gold!!!!!
GO ECU!!! |
|
|
swatson6

 Attention Starved

 |
| 06/25/2008 9:22 AM |
|
Posted By Nat on 06/24/2008 8:11 PM
Your suggestions were awesome Nora...and I did try them. Hand feeding, etc. It didn't work though. Like I cannot even get near her when she is eating in fear that my hand will be torn off.
The whole conversation started today when I was telling him that Cookie is NOT happy about Jake being home. She's very possesive towards me and sits and "waits" for him to come downstairs....when he does she gets right next to me and starts growling. Jake has been instructed to not even look or pay attention to her.
Another example is that whenever I'm playing "toys" with Simey (my kitty) she gets extremely upset; will start howling and pacing, etc. Like I can only play "toys" with her.
See when Cookie and I are all by ourselves she is awesome....really the sweetest dog I've ever met. It's when others are around. It drives me crazy because I can't even go to the bathroom w/out her clawing down the door.....she HAS to be around me at all times.
But yet she is fine when I leave her during the day; never tears up anything, etc. She gets on the couch and will stay there all day until I get home.
I know that Ry is right....I need to get her trained.
But I just hate the fact that she might be unhappy. 
I don't really know your situation too much either Nat, but I will say from this statement alone I could see an issue. YOU need to be alpha. She so obviously is. If I am right, she isn't spayed? There is the number one thing that would help solve your issues with her. Yes you can spoil her, but only once she shows that she is capable of being "spoiled" and not be out of control with it. Aggression is never okay in my book, and I would have to stop the spoiling until that stopped. Control everything, keep her off furniture, make her work for everything she does. Unhappy? I don't know, but if you were able to put in the dedication to change these things, which to me are big issues, I think at least everyone would be happier. If I wasn't able to go near my dog while they were eating, well, I would HaVe to change that. Sometimes it takes a little hurt feelings to make us see that we need change. |
|
Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
|
|
|
MurphyDog

 Ratastic

 |
| 06/25/2008 6:19 PM |
|
Posted By Nat on 06/24/2008 7:25 PM
Today Ryan told me that Cookie is an unhappy dog because of the way she acts...meaning her agressiveness towards food and bones. He says that I treat her too much like a "human" and that dogs want to be treated like "dogs"...and that means she's unhappy. I understand where he is coming from (and he loves Cookster and vice-versa)...he watches alot of Dog Whisperer. He thinks she's way too spoiled and that I need to be pack leader...not her. Which I agree with...except I don't believe she is either the "pack leader" in our household NOR is she unhappy.
Thoughts? This really hurt my feelings kind of........
I'm sure Ryan did not mean to hurt your feelings. Guys always try to fix things... even if we don't know how, we just have to try. See? I'm doing it now... no idea how to address the problem but I'm just typing away. Something in the chromosomes, maybe. But I don't think it should be acceptable to have a dog that growls at you or is agressive towards you or others in the house, and the sooner you get that in check, the better for everyone.
Of course, doing the math here... My advice + .25 = one gumball
|
|
Mitch and Murphy Hancock (the dog)
"I've seen a look in dogs' eyes, a quickly vanishing look of amazed contempt, and I am convinced that basically dogs think humans are nuts." - John Steinbeck |
|
|
Katie'sMom

 Terrier Terror

 |
| 06/25/2008 6:29 PM |
|
Yes, KS likes to be treated like a dog. She tells me that every night when I read her a bedtime story. sorry Nat - just teasing. I think in a sense Ryan is right -- not that Cookie is unhappy, perhaps just missing something? Dogs do need to be dogs (yeah yeah, I'm the one that dresses KS up -- but that is just to kid around on here - she doesn't really live that way - she runs around and acts very doggie). And you do need to be the alpha most definitely. I know you watch The Dog Whisperer -- don't you? At least seems like you used to. Cookie, I am very sure loves you very much. Maybe what she is missing is a leader -- and you need to be her leader????? Just a thought. |
|
Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine): Katie Scarlett and Company
And email her at: katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com
|
|
|
Morgan

 Moderator

 |
| 06/25/2008 8:01 PM |
|
I think Jake needs to be involved when at all possible too. I feel bad for him...he comes home and has to watch his behavior so as not to make Cookie mad and to keep her from biting him...when really it's Jakes house too...he shouldn't have to do those things. Cookie should see both you AND Jake as being the ones in charge. When you were making Cookie eat out of your hand, did you ever let Jake try? Do you think Cookie would even eat out of his hand? Has she always been aggressive towards Jake? |
|
-Morgan (Bella's Mommy) |
|
|
DaisysMom

 Moderator

 |
| 06/25/2008 9:34 PM |
|
Natalie: I know you love Cookie, but you have to do something to get control of the situation. I don't think it helps to refer to her as being "happy" or "unhappy" because sometimes those words make us think in human emotions rather than a dog's mindset. A happy dog isn't necessarily one that gets everything it wants, when it wants it and how it wants it (much like children). A "happy" dog is one that has boundaries and rules and a leader. I know you said you don't think she is Alpha, but I'm afraid your descriptions indicate that is exactly what she is. You have to watch what you do (and so does Jake) in order to keep her from biting which means she is controlling you instead of the other way around. I know it can hurt our feelings to be told that a loved one is misbehaving, but it's said with intent to help, not hurt feelings. If you really want Cookie to be "happy", then you must get this behavior in check. Have her spayed, consult a professional trainer and get her to a well-balanced state of mind. It's going to take a lot of work, I think, but it's going to have to be done, or it will get worse. |
|
Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
|
|
|
tauney4

 Pack Leader

 |
| 06/25/2008 10:03 PM |
|
| i dont know the situation,but what i have gotten to know of you nat i dont think cookie is unhappy i treat tauney more like a human than anything. i say you keep doing what you are doing!!!!!(BY THE WAY I REALLY LIKE YOUR AVATAR PICTURE) |
|
|
|
|
Mitzy's Mom

 PAWesome

 |
| 06/26/2008 9:20 AM |
|
I agree with Tracey, Sarah and the others....Cookie is alpha right now when you and Jake should be. A dog that feels they HAVE to be alpha because their humans are not leaders...can be a very insecure, unhappy dog. She needs to be spayed and then trained. And you can't just "have her trained" . Yes, you need to involve a professional trainer but YOU need to learn as much as she does...and then put it into action. Otherwise is solves nothing if as soon as the trainer leaves you don't continue the training.
Sorry to be blunt but you asked...it's obvious from your description that Cookie needs boundaries and limitations.
|
|
Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
|
|
rattytatty

 Training Moderator

 |
| 06/26/2008 9:30 AM |
|
I'm gonna be blunt too...
Dogs only do what works for them; they are opportunistic; they take as much as they think they can get out of any given situation. When we are talking about a dog with a "dominance problem", what we are really saying is that the dog has learned to get what he wants by doing certain things that we perceive as "dominant behaviors"; he throws his weight and teeth around because he's learned that these behaviors work: people back off and he gets what he want. This is a problem because we don't want to have to defer to our dogs,
we want our dogs to defer to us. Many dogs defer automatically. They have no desire to test the limits to see what will happen or exactly how much they can get. But other dogs, because of a combination of genetics and environmental factors (could well have something to do with Cookie's Katrina experience), have learned that they can get the humans around them to defer--to back off and give them what they seek. These dogs learn to push people around to get what they want and what they want are "resources". A resource is anything that the dog may want at any given point in time, such as food, toys, bones... it could be a certain part of the house... a bed... ANYthing.
The dog comes to believe that he is in control of these resources because he gets unlimited access to them. When someone tries to tell him NO, he growls
or snaps and the human backs off. The dog gets his way and so the behavior of growling or snapping is reinforced. When you confront such dogs with force, sometimes they back right down and immediately begin to defer to the human. But, more often, what happens is the dog escalates the behavior. So the key is to work to reinforce new behaviors, prevent situations in which bad behavior is likely to occur, and begin to require your dog to WORK for and EARN what he wants while limiting his access to resources. This teaches him to defer to humans and lets him see that HUMANS not DOGS control resources, in as non-confrontational a way as possible. Confrontations will only worsen the already bad situation.
Not sure about the emotional aspect of things. Do dogs feel emotions such as jealousy? Happiness? Sadness? I believe they do... although I can't prove it. I do know that dogs crave a leader.. ANY pack has a leader... and if there isn't one... they will "appoint" one by themselves. Sounds to me like this is what Cookie has done.
I know this behavior has been on-going (and maybe even gotten worse?) during the time I've known you, Nat... and by now the behavior is probably pretty well engrained... as happens over time. I would spend the money to invest in a one-on-one trainer for Cookie... preferrably one who is a canine behaviorist. And... again as I've said SO many times in the past... have her spayed. She's trying to cope with hormonal issues too... which can so often translate into unacceptable behavior. |
|
~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
|
|
rattytatty

 Training Moderator

 |
| 06/26/2008 9:33 AM |
|
| (and who is "Ryan" ??) haha |
|
~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
|
|
|
| You are not authorized to post a reply. |
|
|
|
ActiveForums 3.7
|
|
|
|