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DaisysMom


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01/31/2008 3:42 PM  

 

(Peggy: Thank you so much for putting all of this information into one place!!!)

 

POTTY TRAINING:

 

1. Fixed feeding times: This is a must is necessary if you want rapid success with poop training.  You can switch to free‑feeding after the puppy is totally housetrained. Puppies have a strong gastro‑colo‑rectal response & tend to uncontrollably have to poop within 3‑10 minutes of eating (varies with each dog). Use that fact to to your advantage in your training efforts!

 

2. Cardinal Rule:  Walk your dog  IMMEDIATELY after eating, sleeping & playing! (that third one's a bit tricky with young pups as sometimes that's only 5 minutes ). That's when puppies get urges to go pottie. Always walk them on leash to the same spot in the yard! Don’t just let them out unattended.  (If raining, suck it up, get wet yourself and carry them out to the farthest spot from the door possible.  They often will go before they can make it back to the door!   This also helps them not be so fearful of rain.)  Same spot every time is so important because prior pee/poop smells remind the pup what to do!   The first week or so, praise with a treat (take one out in your pocket) and exhuberant verbal praise like “Good Potty” or whatever trigger word you plan to use.  Do this immediately after poop/pee. Let ‘em know you’re pleased! Soon you can just give random treats and eventually, just verbal praise.  For now, bring them right back inside.  Why?  If you allow them to play afterwards, they will confuse two important concepts:  OUTSIDE = POTTY; INDOORS = PLAY.  Restrict play to indoors until they're fully potty-trained lest they get these two ideas reversed! We see this happen time and time again.  The logic here: if they play outside after doing business & then you let them in "after you're done playing with them" the Cardinal Rule (after play) kicks in again and they immediately squat to pee! We have many posts right here on this forum that will attest to this syndrome.  There'll be time enough to play outside when they have got those two basic elimination concepts firm in their wee widdle heads. LOL Eventually you can stop using that leash, but do not do so until pup consistently goes to the right spot automatically, performs quickly, and seems to understand what you want him/her to do when they are taken out. 

 

3. Beat them to the urge!  In addition to the Cardinal Rule, walk them hourly the first week, then every 2 hours the second week, then every three the third week, and so on (except at night, when you walk the minute they wake). Increase the time intervals when you see your pup is holding it that long with no accidents.  Some have to stay on an interval longer than others.  Back up to the previous hourly interval if the pup is has an accident inside.  Most puppies give a quick signal they are about to poop, like circling, rapid pacing, moving to a corner.  Watch for these and “scoop & run) them outside.  Some will even put puppies on a short leash/cord to their waist so they can better watch the puppy for these signals.

 

4. Crate Train Advantage: Dogs will try very hard not to soil their "den". Crate training, therefore, speeds up & reinforces potty training.  In other words, it forces them to try to “hold it” awhile. Use this well-known canine behavior to your advantage. Keep crate within hearing distance of your bed. Be sure crate isn't too large or they'll make a spot to go in the crate! You want it just big enough to turn around in or they’ll sleep at one end and use the other end for a toilet. When they wake up at night, walk immediately to "the designated spot". When done, praise, treat & bring right back to crate to sleep (do not be tempted to play with them at night.  Ride out any whining they do when they come back inside!). Yes, you will lose some sleep week 1 & 2, but believe me, the fast results will be worth it. If they go potty in the crate (because you slept through their wake up whimper), just clean it up in the A.M. with no correction.  There is an excellent Crate Training thread atop this forum you should read if new to crates. Crate training has so many more advantages besides facilitating potty training. Crates are very useful when traveling, for safe car travel, illness/surgery recovery, when you’re at work, repairmen in the house, when visiting family/other houses.

 

5. Accidents:    If caught in the act don’t yell at them. Just scoop the dog up (they usually startle into stopping the poop), say "Nooooo, potty outside" in a firm, voice and take them outside to the usual spot. (This teaches the concept of "outside" quickly,  by the way). Set them down on the ground in “the spot” and again say "potty outside". They'll usually go on & finish the interrupted task. Praise for finishing the task outside, & just clean up when you get back inside.

 

Before you know it, you’ll have them understanding “outside” and you can just ask the puppy “Wanna go outside?” and they’ll be racing to the back door when they need to go. That is usually quickly followed by them going to the back door and asking to go out. Some have suggested (and had success with) a bell tied to the back door handle and teaching the dog to ring the bell to indicate they need out to go potty.  Be warned that ratties are very smart and quickly learn to ring the bell to go out just to chase a visible squirrel or bird. This can get annoying fast!

           

If found later, do not scold.  Instead, let them passively watch you clean up the urine spot with Natures Miracle (or similar product) saying "potty outside" in a normal tone as you do so. If it's a poop, I pick up the poop in a paper towel with the pup watching (pups learn watching mom clean the den in the wild), carry it outside (with pup following). Drop the poop out of the paper onto the ground in the designated area of the yard & say "potty outside" in a normal tone. That's it. Don't make a big deal of it!  No harsh voice.  Above all, never EVER rub your dog’s nose in urine or poop.  By doing this, you teach the dog that eliminating itself is bad.  This usually results in dogs that learn “Maybe I better hide the poop better next time", like under/behind furniture, or YUCK, eat it to hide the evidence! Remember, dogs live in the moment & don't connect delayed corrections with the act/evidence that happened in the past. (15 minutes ago is “past” to a dog). But they do learn & change from watching Mom & litter mates do it right.

 

6.  Moving & Other Dog Scents: When you move to a new home, well-trained dogs can completely forget their training.  This is because dogs often relate learning with a particular location.  If this happens, go back to square one and train just like you did when they were a puppy.  If you suspect/know another dog lived in the house/apartment and has left stains/scents in carpet, you MUST clean these up with Nature’s Miracle (or similar product) or a male (& sometimes even females) will start marking those spots and going inside, too. 

 

7.  Pee Pads & litter boxes: There are people who believe (and have great success) in the use of these and those that don’t.  Often they become playthings for puppies.  Just remember, if you ultimately want the dog to do potty outside one day, starting out with pee pads or litter boxes will only confuse the puppy when you try to make the transition to outside.  Think about it.  You’re first saying it’s OK to go inside in/on these and then one day you’re saying it’s NOT OK to eliminate indoors!  Totally confusing to a puppy!  Puppies can be trained to go outside from day one successfully if crate training is also used.  As a rule of thumb, they can hold it 1 hour for each month they are old.  We strongly recommend only using pee pads if, due to circumstances, you do not ever plan on making the transition to outdoor pottying. In using them, do not move them around.  Always keep it in the same place.   

 

Following this method usually produces the desired results in just 1 month. Even rescue dogs used to going whenever and wherever, can be trained in just 1 month if all humans in the household get involved and help. 

 

Successful potty training takes consistent effort on the part of every member of your household. Nobody said owning/training a dog was easy.  In fact, most would say the opposite. Without “team” effort, potty training will take much longer or even worse, may never be accomplished at all. 


Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
02/01/2008 10:56 AM  
Great idea to pin this info, seems like one of the most asked questions!

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org
leaseykay


Newbie
Newbie
02/17/2008 10:20 PM  

Hi! I am glad I found this site. My family just got a Rat Terrier puppy last week. She is a very loving puppy and good with my children. The things I have read so far on this site seem like they will be very helpful.  We have already started to crate train her. She is doing o.k. with the crate, but we are having a little trouble getting her to go outside to go potty. I am going to try the suggestions you have mentioned. If you have any other advice on potty tranning or suggestions about Rat Terriers interacting with pre-schooler pleae let me know, I need all the help I can get. By the way our new puppies name is Scooby and she is 10 weeks old. 

Thank you,

Lisa

tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
02/17/2008 10:40 PM  
welcome and hello you will get lots of good information here from other rattie owners i cant wait to see your fur baby!!!

christi and tauney
Melida4803


Newbie
Newbie
02/19/2008 2:22 PM  
This is some really good information. I have a 9 week old rat terrier who we are in the process of potty training. He does really good on the leash for walks and is now starting to go to the door when he has to go out. However, if he does something bad in the house, I know it, because he puts his ears back and runs from me. He also stopped going to the bathroom on the newspaper in his crate. He wakes up if he has to go so I can put him outside. He's a very smart puppy who we love to pieces.


buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
02/19/2008 5:39 PM  

Welcome Melida and Lisa. Glad this info is helping you. Be consistent with your puppy and they'll be trained in no time.

Amjski


Rattie
Rattie
03/05/2008 9:35 AM  

This is some really good information! When I got my puppy I bought Puppies for Dummies which basically suggested a feeding and potty routine. Choxie is a little older so pottry training has been easier. I think the Humane Society really did put some effort into walking her and caring for her, they are really great the Wisconsin Humane Society in Milwaukee. Needless to say she has had a few accidents.  Sometimes she runs to the door and signals she has to go and other times she doesn't. I just have to keep watching for he signals more closely I guess. Some people suggest using a bell. Does anyone else use one on the door? Or any other type of signal. I noticed that naturally she will make noise if she has to go, like whimper or bark (otherwise she is really quiet) or every once in a blue moon she will actually run to the door and when she does this I really praise her for it! Any suggestions would be great! Thanks!


Amy J
Nietz


Newbie
Newbie
03/09/2008 12:44 PM  
i just recently bought a rat terrier puppy, and me and my wife are trying to potty train the little one but we live in an apartment so its hard to take her outside she needs to go. we bought those training pads and goes sometimes on the pad but most of the time she usally does her bussiness on the carpet close to or near the pad but she doesnt use the pad how can i teach her to do her bussiness on the pad instead of the carpet ??? any advice will help thank you !!!!
Melody


Newbie
Newbie
04/11/2008 12:51 PM  
Hi, this is Melody again--Nora is comming come sunday...I live on the 8th floor of an apartment--My husband doed not like the idea of litter training, but going out every hour seems alsmost impossible--Is it possible to do paper training AND try to have her make outsite? I do not have many rugs and will keep pee pad away from them if I use them--and then take one down with me and put it in the place I want her to go. This is also tough becasue my housing development has not allowed dogs for 60 years and now the oldtimers are not to pleased about it!

Still it would be great if she eventually could go outdoors.
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
04/11/2008 12:54 PM  
You are getting a new dog and its name is Nora? How cool is THAT? LOL

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
melo


Ratastic
Ratastic
04/27/2008 11:47 PM  

Hi nora

Just noticed your message--getting used to how this works

Yes I have a Nora at home now) you probably saw the two pics i put up.  Still gotta figure out how to do that better!!

I love my girl after just a week I feel like I have had her my whole life--what is the deal with that!!

best

Melo=Melody ahh

 

 

 


Nora's mommie --
www.melodybreyer-grell.com
Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out!
Apollo


Newbie
Newbie
05/12/2008 3:57 PM  

Tracey,  we just got our son a little male rat pup. we have had him for 4 weeks now and he is 10 weeks old. we have been crate training and have a set up that allows the pup to go out from crate through dog door into his exercise pen outside during the day. (the pup is alone for about 6 hrs, during the day) before our son gets home from school. Apollo is very good about going out to do his # 2 business but will pee in his crate. we have been using old towels for a bed in his adjustable crate. we do have the crate adjusted just enough  to make a bed.  We also own a 8 yr old bulldog thats fixed and is a male as well, I'm wondering is he's trying to mark already or is he just being lazy? Also whats the SAFEST earliest age to get him nuetered?  The puppy has food and water out in his ex-pen should we remove it during the day? We usually feed him and Diesel when we eat but have been leaving any left over in bowl for his to eat later. any ideas or thoughts? This is the 2nd rattie i've owned and while our last was a handful we never had the peeing in crate issue. thanks Aaron

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/18/2008 5:42 AM  
Posted By Apollo on 05/12/2008 3:57 PM

Tracey,  we just got our son a little male rat pup. we have had him for 4 weeks now and he is 10 weeks old. we have been crate training and have a set up that allows the pup to go out from crate through dog door into his exercise pen outside during the day. (the pup is alone for about 6 hrs, during the day) before our son gets home from school. Apollo is very good about going out to do his # 2 business but will pee in his crate. we have been using old towels for a bed in his adjustable crate. we do have the crate adjusted just enough  to make a bed.  We also own a 8 yr old bulldog thats fixed and is a male as well, I'm wondering is he's trying to mark already or is he just being lazy? Also whats the SAFEST earliest age to get him nuetered?  The puppy has food and water out in his ex-pen should we remove it during the day? We usually feed him and Diesel when we eat but have been leaving any left over in bowl for his to eat later. any ideas or thoughts? This is the 2nd rattie i've owned and while our last was a handful we never had the peeing in crate issue. thanks Aaron

Most 10 week old pups can't hold their urine for 6 hours.  Also, he has too much room to wander around so of course he'll potty....and if you have a towel in the crate then that's the logical place (in his mind!).  If no one can take him out for 6 hours at a time then I would not crate him at all but confine him inside to a small area and put down a potty pad.  Not the ideal choice (you'll need to crate him later to teach him to potty only outside) but in cases where the humans are gone all day with a young pup - it's what I had to do with mine since we work full time.

The other alternative would be really crating him (no access to anywhere else) and having a friend come over and let him out....or someone come at lunch to do it, etc.

 


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org
montana_mommy


Rattie
Rattie
05/18/2008 9:54 AM  
Thanks for all the great info! My husband just surprised me with a puppy! She is 7 weeks old. She is doing very well with house training. I take her out so often that she has only had 2 accidents in a week. I hope that it isn't wrong to take her out that often. I'm very pleased with how good she is with my children and how well she is fitting into our family! Now if we could just think of a name for her! By the way, if she was 2 and a half pounds at 6 weeks does anyone know how big she will get?

~Jenny~

~Mommy to Minnie~


"Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads." - Harry S Truman
melo


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/18/2008 1:13 PM  
hi montana

only 2 accidents--I am envious--my 10 week old will go outside when I take her, but has accidents if i let her loose in the house so I do keep her crated

My Question is--how often do you take her out and for how LONG?? Don't be embassed to tell me--I take Nora out about 7 times a day--some times stay out for a while---and as I said she does make outside about 75-80 percent but has her fair share of accidents.

Any other comments from ya'll are welcome of course

Melody

Nora's mommie --
www.melodybreyer-grell.com
Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out!
montana_mommy


Rattie
Rattie
05/18/2008 4:06 PM  

I take her out about every half hour unless she is sleeping.  Then I take her out as soon as she wakes up.  We don't stay out for long. She knows what she is outside to do and takes care of business right away.  Sometimes she has to go more than once so I just wait until she starts to play and then I know she is done.  Usually we are out for less than 5 minutes.   My husband says that I can't train her not to go in the house if I take her out so often, but I just think thats the right way to do it.  Only time will tell I guess!!


~Jenny~

~Mommy to Minnie~


"Children and dogs are as necessary to the welfare of the country as Wall Street and the railroads." - Harry S Truman
farmergurlyo


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/26/2008 11:11 AM  
how would potty training work if i have a full time job? my boyfriend would be there sometimes while i'm at work (6-2:30), but other times he'll have to go to class. we're planning on getting a puppy in the fall, should i paper train her or something also, so she can go without making a mess while i'm away?

Ashley~
mommy to rattie kairi
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
05/26/2008 7:40 PM  
Posted By montana_mommy on 05/18/2008 4:06 PM

I take her out about every half hour unless she is sleeping.  Then I take her out as soon as she wakes up.  We don't stay out for long. She knows what she is outside to do and takes care of business right away.  Sometimes she has to go more than once so I just wait until she starts to play and then I know she is done.  Usually we are out for less than 5 minutes.   My husband says that I can't train her not to go in the house if I take her out so often, but I just think thats the right way to do it.  Only time will tell I guess!!

 

 

You're doing it EXACTLY RIGHT!  Can't take them out too often at that age.  Consistency is the key.  They tend to pee after eating, sleeping and playing, so you're doing it exactly right!  If she is GOING every time she is taken out, then point out to your husband that she NEEDS to go that often.  When you see she no longer has to pee that frequently, you can move the interval for potty walks to hourly.  Then when she doesn't seem to need a potty trip that often, up it to every two hours and so on.  Keep up the good work!  You're effectively beating her to the urges, and that's when housetraining is MOST effective!   I always walk young puppies very often like you have done and Button only had 4-5 accidents period and she was 100% house trained at 4 months of age.  Zipper, my stray rescue at 5 mos., was housetrained with the "walk hourly" approach in only one month and only had 4-5 accidents!  Pretty good for a dog that had total elimination freedom on the streets. 

 

DaisysMom


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05/26/2008 7:45 PM  
Farmergurlyo (sorry I don't know your "real" name): If your new pup is approximately 8 weeks (2 months) old, she/he should be able to hold it for approximately 2, maybe 3 hours in a crate - depending on when she was last given food/water and that she's allowed the opportunity to go outside right before going to crate. The general rule is that a pup/dog can "hold it" for one hour for each month of age PLUS one hour; thus, 2 months = 3 hours; 4 months = 5 hours, etc. up to about 8-10 hours maximum as an adult.

Do not leave food and/or water in her crate. I do have a guinea pig sized water bottle attached to Daisy's crate that she can get sips of water from if she needs it, but she doesn't drink out of it alot - she mostly sleeps.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

farmergurlyo


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/26/2008 8:28 PM  
thanks tracey! BTW my name's ashley sorry, i don't know how to put those things down at the bottom of my posts

Ashley~
mommy to rattie kairi
buttonbutt


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Newbie
05/27/2008 7:45 AM  

Ashley, check your Private Messages please.

Baileydukedavis


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Terrier Terror
06/01/2008 9:17 AM  
Thanks this really helps...we are having a horrible time training Sydney and Chance. Bailey must have been an excepetion to the rule b/c I dont remember it being this hard!! Thanks

"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown

Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis and Chance Tazman Davis.
elisa


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Newbie
06/18/2008 5:58 PM  
my babys name is lilli i got her about a week ago.. and she is 4 months.. and i do that picking up the pop and placing on the pad and wen i do that the next time she dose go she will go pop on the pad but she gose pee all over the house.. of corse wen she had to go... but im not allowing her to get on beds only sleep on her bed and wen my family cuddels with her we sit with her on the floor... any suggestions for peeing...? i need the help... i have a room mate and he dont seem to like steping in her pee or evern after i clean it.. it still wet and it really bothers him... pop no big fuz cuz i pic it up///

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elisa


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06/18/2008 6:00 PM  
and my name is juana

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alfreddajero


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07/05/2008 7:08 PM  
I find this site very informative......so glad i joined.....i started potty training the first week jen and i got her.....and think in the 5months that we have had her she's only gone potty inside 3times........

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