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Zippy

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| 06/04/2008 8:14 AM |
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Zippy Zippy is a five year old rat terrier. He weighs 12 lbs, and I have to find a new home for him. I have contacted Rat Bones Rescue, and they were full. I also put an ad on Petfinder, but I received many scamming messages and didn't feel comfortable with anyone who replied. I am desperate and need to do something quickly. This situation has gone on for about a year now, and it isn't getting better. Here are the issues:
My neighbor hates my dog. My neighbor hates everything and everyone, but mostly Zippy. I would move if I could, but the market in FL is a mess and I presently rent my house. My crabby neighbor says that Zipper barks (which he really doesn't do when I'm home), and he calls Animal Control. For someone who has a regular vet, keeps Zippy up to date on shots, teeth cleaning, and heartworm, this is embarassing. Well, the animal control officer will stand at the fence with the man - and then yes, Zippy will bark like crazy. Since I cannot afford the fines and don't want to see my neighbor do something nutty, and since the owner of the home is beyond frustrated, I need to do something quickly. I've tried to work with this, and I can't find another answer. I purchased a citronella collar, and he fell into the pool with it on and wouldn't bark for help. A worker in the back had to rescue him (although he can swim. I'm guessing he didn't go to the steps and hung onto the side). He either runs down the battery or the spray, because the man still complains. Since I'm not home, I don't know what is actually happening.
I'm aware of crate training, but Zippy cannot last 8+ hours in a crate, nor is it fair to him. My life demands have changed, and it seems that I work more now. He must have a pea sized bladder, because I tried leaving him out in the house while at work. He won't destroy anything (other than Q-Tips - I don't know why), but he cannot refrain from peeing. He can jump a child gate.
The positives of Zippy: he is adorable, playful, loves to snuggle, loves to clean out the leftovers in your cereal bowl, he is thin and in great shape, he likes other dogs - even at the dog park, he will let you dress him up (although he may not be crazy about it), and he is used to children and other animals (birds and other pets).
The down sides: Zippy would do wonderfully with someone who is home more. He can be a digger, although he hasn't done much digging lately. He apparently is prone to barking when someone isn't home. He will ask to go outside, but he apparently has accidents. He is not opposed to being crated, but he isn't crazy about it. He will go in there, but I would hate to leave him in there for long periods. If you are home and he is crated, he will whine. If he is outside and wants inside, he will jump on the sliding glass door until he is ready to pass out. He makes his needs known!
I feel that Zippy would be better off in another home where people are home more often and where the neighbor doesn't hate him. We are in Central Florida. Does anyone know of a welcoming home for Zippy?

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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/04/2008 8:19 AM |
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Does he only bark so the neighbor complains when he is outside in the yard? If so, I wouldn't allow him out without being there with him. I'd crate him while you're at work or confine him to a small area in the house and work on his house training more. Unfortunately Ratbones is overwhelmed right now with rat terrier but there is the GAP program. It's a program where RBR posts your dog looking for a home while you keep the dog with you. There are also other rat terrier rescues out there that may have room. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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winnihoohoo

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| 06/04/2008 8:20 AM |
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Where in Central Florida are you? I am in Deltona. I have 4 ratties, but I would be willing to put the word aout around here, that you are looking for a new home for him. Do you have any pics of him?
Also, my ratties are crated, almost 8 hours a day. It is really the best thing for them, so they sleep, and do not get into trouble while you are gone. Try leaving a radio on for him too. |
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Zippy

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| 06/04/2008 8:22 AM |
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I cannot crate Zippy for the length of time needed, and he jumps the baby fence. He typically doesn't bark when we are home (unless something really gets him going), but we have to work.
I am in Merritt Island, by Cocoa Beach. It is about an hour from Orlando. |
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winnihoohoo

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| 06/04/2008 8:24 AM |
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| Do you leave puppy training pads out for him to pee on? Also leave all the doors to the bedrooms, bathroom etc, closed. Mine will go on those, if they do not get outside in time, even when I am here. Of course most of them have accidents from time to time. |
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winnihoohoo

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| 06/04/2008 8:29 AM |
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| I was in Cocoa, back in January, for a weekend getaway. It is really a tourist town. I wish I had room for him, but I am already pushing it with four. If you really have to find him a new home, I will try to see if anyone wants a rattie. I know you really do not want to lose him, because he looks to be very attached to you. I used to have problems with my neighbors too, till they had a kid, and got a Jack Russell. Now they understand, and leave us alone. |
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Zippy

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| 06/04/2008 8:40 AM |
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I have tried the pee pads. He tears them up all over the place... and he confuses carpeted mats with them. Unfortunately my neighbor is retired. I doubt he will have any kids in the future! It would probably be good for him, but I doubt he likes kids either!
It is hard to find him a new home, but it would be best for him. I appreciate the help! |
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alice4512

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| 06/04/2008 8:40 AM |
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I think Rattagan's mom was willing to foster, and I am not sure where in FL she is but when she comes onto the site she may be a resource.............just a thought |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Cocoabean

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| 06/04/2008 9:08 AM |
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Edited: deleted original post that I put here because it didn't offer anything constructive and probably came across as patronizing. Not one of my better days...
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Sara Jo Mom to Henry |
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swatson6

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| 06/04/2008 9:08 AM |
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| Janie is a good idea, she is busy but she may be able to help. In all honesty I couldn't imagine letting a neighbor make me get rid of a dog I've had for that long. Also at 5 years of age, why is 8 hours too long to be crated? Either way, sounds like you've made up your mind so we are here to help. Bear with us as we see what we can do, okay? |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/04/2008 9:14 AM |
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I emailed Janie but my email was returned....either her email address changed or their internet is down or something. They are in Palm Bay if that helps. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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Zippy

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| 06/04/2008 9:39 AM |
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I guess like raising children, people have different philosophies and ideas when it comes to pets. I've always loved animals deeply. I have always seen to it that my animals had appropriate vet care, and time with the family. When I had my own house in TX, I rescued pitbulls - because there was such a need. However, I cannot afford to buy a house in FL, so I rent one. Because it is not my house, I don't get to make all the rules. When a problem arises, such as the one with my neighbor, it is not completely up to me. In choosing a place to live with my family or re-homing the dog, well, one has to be rather practical.
If I know that Zippy is miserable sitting in a crate for 8-10 hours, does that make me a bad person? To me, that seems like punishment for him. I do crate him, but if I have to crate him all day and then at night, what is his quality of life? If I am trying to re-home him rather than dumping him at a shelter, is that not preferable? I really admire people who run rescue groups. It is difficult, expensive, and challenging. As much as I can't imagine it, I can see why people take animals to shelters. It is hard to step out to rehome an animal and have people insinuate that you are doing everything wrong in their eyes. I do appreciate the help, please don't misunderstand me. I just think people should be aware, so that others who genuinely care and want to find a decent, loving home for a pet won't be put off. I respect that some of you might do things differently; however, I am in this situation, and I need to figure out what is best for this little dog. Enduring judgement isn't helping.
Thank you for your time, and I appreciate those of you who would like to help. Forgive my frustration, as this is not an easy situation.
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swatson6

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| 06/04/2008 9:46 AM |
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I am glad you can at least see that we are here to help. Sometimes the thought of rehoming a dog just makes people question, you know? You are not being judged and we will help. There is also rat terrier Resq..... ratterrierresq@ yahoo.com and ratterrierresq.com. They may have an opening. And like MB mentioned, would you be able to keep him while he is listed on the ratbones site under the GAP program? That may get him adopted pretty quickly also, he is an adorable little rattie, I love his huge ears!! His "issues" really aren't much or unfixable, so I don't think many would consider them downfalls. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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winnihoohoo

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| 06/04/2008 9:49 AM |
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Why would you need to crate him at night? My ratties sleep with me at night, and between 5:30 pm and 10-11 pm, they are out running around the house, outside, etc. When I am home, on my days off they are out all day in the house or outside. They do not act like they are tortured. I am sorry you do not like our advice about crating. I do not feel guilty that mine are in their crates up to 8 hours a day, because I know they are safe. Good luck. Palm Bay is not too far from you. Maybe she will foster him for you.
Posted By Zippy on 06/04/2008 9:39 AM
I guess like raising children, people have different philosophies and ideas when it comes to pets. I've always loved animals deeply. I have always seen to it that my animals had appropriate vet care, and time with the family. When I had my own house in TX, I rescued pitbulls - because there was such a need. However, I cannot afford to buy a house in FL, so I rent one. Because it is not my house, I don't get to make all the rules. When a problem arises, such as the one with my neighbor, it is not completely up to me. In choosing a place to live with my family or re-homing the dog, well, one has to be rather practical.
If I know that Zippy is miserable sitting in a crate for 8-10 hours, does that make me a bad person? To me, that seems like punishment for him. I do crate him, but if I have to crate him all day and then at night, what is his quality of life? If I am trying to re-home him rather than dumping him at a shelter, is that not preferable? I really admire people who run rescue groups. It is difficult, expensive, and challenging. As much as I can't imagine it, I can see why people take animals to shelters. It is hard to step out to rehome an animal and have people insinuate that you are doing everything wrong in their eyes. I do appreciate the help, please don't misunderstand me. I just think people should be aware, so that others who genuinely care and want to find a decent, loving home for a pet won't be put off. I respect that some of you might do things differently; however, I am in this situation, and I need to figure out what is best for this little dog. Enduring judgement isn't helping.
Thank you for your time, and I appreciate those of you who would like to help. Forgive my frustration, as this is not an easy situation.
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/04/2008 9:55 AM |
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| I just talked to Janie and I'm sure she'll post on here soon. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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swatson6

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| 06/04/2008 9:58 AM |
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| Great MB! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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DaisysMom

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| 06/04/2008 10:00 AM |
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I'm sorry that you have had to come to this decision. I, too, could offer suggestions/advice, but that is not what you asked for. You've already contacted Ratbones. And I see other members have attempted to contact Janie, who maybe could help. So I don't have any other solutions right now. Just PLEASE, whatever happens, do NOT take him to a shelter, especially a "pound" or kill shelter. I'd also seriously reconsider allowing him to be outside when you are not home. ESPECIALLY given that you have a mean nasty neighbor who clearly wants him gone. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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rattagan's mom

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| 06/04/2008 10:01 AM |
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| I am working with Ratbone now to be a foster home for this pup. Will let you know soon. |
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Janie, Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom
Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L. |
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winnihoohoo

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| 06/04/2008 10:09 AM |
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Cool! Good luck!
Posted By rattagan's mom on 06/04/2008 10:01 AM
I am working with Ratbone now to be a foster home for this pup. Will let you know soon.
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rattagan's mom

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| 06/04/2008 10:22 AM |
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| Merritt Island is not far from me, only about 40 miles or so. I should be an approved foster home by the end of the day today, I hope. Connie and Caroline are working on it now and Connie will do the home visit later today. So it looks like Florida will have a new foster home with room to spare. I am really looking forward to this. I hope that we can help Zippy find a new forever home but in the mean time he will have a loving foster home to come to and 2 other ratties to play with. It is possible that I may get Zippy and maybe a foster that needs to be pulled in Texas. Time will tell. Keep your fingers, toes and puppy feet crossed for good luck. With about a half acre for the furbabies to run and play. This is going to be fun. I hope this helps and pray everything works out. |
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Janie, Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom
Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L. |
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swatson6

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| 06/04/2008 10:24 AM |
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| You rock Janie!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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DaisysMom

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| 06/04/2008 10:28 AM |
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Janie!!! You the woman!!! Hopefully Zippy can come to foster with you soon and find his forever family ASAP. I'll be interested to see how he does at your house. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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alice4512

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| 06/04/2008 10:29 AM |
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Janie, If I needed to be fostered your house would be the place I would want to go to most.  |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/04/2008 10:31 AM |
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yes! Janie you rock!!! And Yay - Ratbones has another foster mom!!!
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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Zippy

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| 06/04/2008 10:31 AM |
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Awwww - that is exciting news! Zippy loves to play with other dogs! He is used to bigger dogs, but he really has fun with dogs his size.
I don't generally crate him at night, and I do let him sleep with me; however (despite being offered a trip outside prior to bedtime), he has been known to need to potty in the middle of the night (when I'm asleep) and he does this in the hallway. My husband said we should crate him at night to prevent this (which one would normally do), so that is why I said he could be crated far too much. I wouldn't want that for such a spirited, fun dog. Of course I don't crate him when I am home! It's not that I'm not used to crating, as I have used it with all of my dogs. I'm just saying that I don't see it being a viable solution for his life in this situation.
Right now, I have my yard fenced in half where the neighbor can't get to him. Also, the man has thankfully been out of town for two weeks. I have a screened porch where Zippy likes to hang out, but apparently the man can still hear him bark from there.
I cannot tell you how nasty of a situation this has been. The man has never once come to talk to us about it. He either calls the owners of the house or the city. We have always been congenial with him, and he has talked to us in the past... but never, ever mentioned the dog. Once the home owners alerted us, we started with the pee-pads, the bark collar... and so on. Nothing seems to make the man happy. He complained that our neighbors didn't mow enough around the mailbox, that the school behind us leaves the lights on at night, that the school didn't maintain the land behind the school (that was once part of the yard) - so they came and took the land. I am serious that he is an unhappy man. One day we hope to either move or see him move! |
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rattagan's mom

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| 06/04/2008 10:32 AM |
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| Thanks y'all, I try. Maybe this time I will actually be able to help without it coming back to bite me in the butt. LOL I think this will be fun and rewarding. I've always wanted to do something like this, maybe this is my chance. |
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Janie, Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom
Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L. |
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treble02

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| 06/04/2008 10:36 AM |
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YAY JANIE! Zippy is gonna be ONE LUCKY PUP!    |
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~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy, Ratbone Rescues Database Manager and Applications Coordinator
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Noodles n Me

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| 06/04/2008 10:38 AM |
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| Janie to the rescue, Again! Thanks for now and forever!!! |
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There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!! cat |
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rattagan's mom

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| 06/04/2008 10:41 AM |
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| Zippy's mom, please let me know what items Zippy will be able to bring with him so I know what to get for him or what not too. I also would like to know what type of food you have been feeding him. Here he will get Natural Balance with Ratty and Cameo. And please feel free to contact me if you want to know how he is. Of course posts will be made here with pics when he comes to me. He will be well cared for and loved here with our two. If he does have a crate could or would you send that as well? You can email me or Pm me from the site. My email is available on my profile. |
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Janie, Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom
Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L. |
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alice4512

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| 06/04/2008 10:48 AM |
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If Rattagan is a little tired and Cammie still wants to play this could be a great outlet. Oh Janie saying many prayers for a smooth transition and a happy bunch. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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