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JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/02/2008 5:15 PM  

Hi I am a new member. I have two rat terriers that are 9 yrs old and are litter mates, they are both girls and their names are Cali and Macy. We adopted them almost 9 years ago from a neglectful home.  They overcame the anxiety and other problems they developed from that environment, with lots of love.  They are for the most part happy dogs with tons of energy and have not given us any problems.  Lately Macy has begun acting strange.  She has started to get very clingy and she tries to hide under the toilet in any bathroom she can sneak into. If I leave a door open to a small room or closet, she runs in there and tries to hide in the corner.  She crawls under the computer desk when I sit at it and sleeps there. She still gets plenty of attention and lots of play time. We have not moved recently and there are no family dynamics that have changed.  She scratches on doors to be let in,  and if you are in the bathroom she cries or scratches to get in, she will hide under the bed too.

Our dogs are kenneled trained and have a safe spot. They do not get upset when we leave and usually are asleep when we get home. They are very rarely left alone for long.  What could be wrong with her? The other dog (Cali) is not acting like this at and seems to be ingnoring Macy's weird behavior.

Has anyone experienced this? Or know what is wrong?

Thanks for the advice.

Jen

Amy


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/02/2008 7:23 PM  

Hi Jen and Welcome. I am sorry but I have no clue on how to help. Nora is the sites training moderator. I am sure she will be able to help. try posting again in the training forum. BTW....we LOVE pictures around here.


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Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/02/2008 7:29 PM  

Have you had a health checkup by your vet?  Sometimes a change in behavior like this can indicate a health problem.  Keep us updated.


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Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/02/2008 7:29 PM  

just wanted to say hello and welcome,

I am not sure what to say about your dog being scared.  Nora, our training moderater is out this weekend,

but one of the things that pops in my mind, is could it be some kind of health issue?  Maybe a trip to the vet might help you to get some kind of insight of what's going on with Macy?  Just a thought.  poor girl....   I hope she can relax again soon.... 

 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/02/2008 8:18 PM  
Posted By Katie'sMom on 05/02/2008 7:29 PM

Have you had a health checkup by your vet?  Sometimes a change in behavior like this can indicate a health problem.  Keep us updated.



Great minds!! 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
tiggarat


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/03/2008 12:19 PM  
I'd take her in for a checkup too, just to rule out any health problems that you might not have noticed. I hope you figure out what's going on soon.

Lisabeth

furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.

"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith
Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
05/03/2008 12:22 PM  
I agree with the others - time for a very thorough vet check up. Sounds as though she may have a medical condition going on and she doesn't understand it and of course she can't tell you about it. At least rule that out. JMO

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom
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JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/04/2008 2:58 PM  
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I did have her in for a health check up and she checked out fine. They suggested it was a behavioral or an environmental issue. We have been wracking our brains to see figure out if it was environmental and we just cannot find anything that has changed and I am clueless on what kind of behavioral issue it can be.
buttonbutt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/04/2008 5:26 PM  

Which dog would you say has been Alpha over the last 9 years you've had them? Have you ever seen Cali act snappish or aggressive with Macy? Females can be quite contentious for Alpha position in the pack, sometimes even more so than males. Fights can be quite nasty between females vying for the alpha slot. I'm wondering if they have gotten into some alpha squables, lately, perhaps when you were not at home. If Cali bit Macy, even if she didn't draw blood, that might explain her insecurity and driving need to be close to you. She may be afraid of Cali? And turning to you to protect her.

Just a thought, because my Zipper (rescue) has been fairly nasty with Button the whole time we've had her. And Button is NOT that assertive, and tolerates Zipper's nastiness like a trooper. Button has only gotten mad enough at the aggression to return a snarl one or two times in over a year of this. I think Zipper wants to be alpha, but Button still holds that position. That's why Zipper continues to be "snippy" with her at times. Others have told me once a dog IS alpha, they don't have to snap at the others any longer. Those dogs "submit" without question and Button does not most of the time.


Peggy
Mom to Button & Zipper
My sweet RatTexans
Aaragon


Newbie
Newbie
05/05/2008 2:52 PM  
New Member and Dog Owner..... How do i know if my dog is a Rattie????
Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
05/05/2008 3:04 PM  
Posted By Aaragon on 05/05/2008 2:52 PM
New Member and Dog Owner..... How do i know if my dog is a Rattie????



Do you have a picture?  Where did you get the dog from...shelter? Breeder?


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org
JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/05/2008 4:50 PM  
Peggy,
That issue is something we have been toying around with (no pun intended). Cali is more of the alpha out of the two and tends to pick on Macy once in a while. When we catch it, we of course stop the behavior. Macy will stand up to Cali. However they are getting older. Macy is the fatter of the two and if you do not watch it, she will chow down on whatever she can get into. I think they might not be aging the same. Cali is still pretty wiry and active, Macy is a bit more lazy. They both love walks and they both still sleep together in and outside the crates. Maybe I should start crating them seperately. I have tried it in the past, yet they still want to be in the same crates and they are always finding one another when they go to sleep.
Thanks Peggy for pointing that out. In the past Macy never needed consolation from us when Cali was pulling some Alpha moves on her, but maybe with middle age Macy is getting less sure of herself. I am going to watch them more and start trying to separate them in their crates to see if that helps.
The answer to your question, Mary Beth, we rescued them from an ASPCA shelter. They rescued them from a neglectful home, no abuse, just neglect (which in my eyes is abuse). We have fostered dogs and that was the intention with Cali and Macy, but they stole my heart!!! And nine years later they still have it!
I will posts some pictures of our girls soon. It is hard to find the time to get on the computer, between my two kids and husband 9they monopolize it).
Thank you again for the suggestions, I think this is a starting point.
Funny, Cali just growled at Macy as I typed that last sentence!!!
Jennifer Lazik
buttonbutt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/05/2008 5:23 PM  

You might just try separate crates just when you cannot be there to watch for any aggression. They may APPEAR to want to always be in the same crate. But as dogs get older, sometimes the disturbance during sleep is not appreciated and it may set Cali off. And this may be when you aren't home. Even if an occasional snap is occurring, it might make Macy insecure. Her behaviors would indicate insecurity or hidden pain, from my personal experience.

Did your vet think there was any possibility she could have knee, hip or back inflammation or pain? Or perhaps even arthritic pain as she ages.  Reason I ask is my dachshund years ago with a history of back trouble would get under furniture and "hide" in corners if we ran out of Rimadyl or steroids & the pain got unbearable before I could get to the vet for a refill.


Peggy
Mom to Button & Zipper
My sweet RatTexans
JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/06/2008 7:52 AM  
Peggy,
I agree we are going to only crate them separately. It would be impossible to keep them apart all day long. The only time their crates are closed are when we leave the house and at night when they go to bed. The more I think about it the more I think this is an age related issue that is mainly about dominance. In the past whenever Cali tried to dominate Macy, Macy usually set her in her place or just ignored her. It never really escalated to violence. We have three dogs and these two are sisters that have been together since birth. We adopted a Cur 5 years ago and even he is afraid of Cali and he has 70 pounds on her. He stays away from her. What is so funny is that if Cali sees Macy or our cur (his name is OC) threatened by another animal she goes racing out there to defend them. She always is grooming them both and making sure they are clean and healthy. I wonder if that is all part of her dominance?
I had Macy checked out by the vet. We took her to two different vets and they did a complete check up, which included a good look over on the hips and shoulders. Macy dislocated her shoulder about 8 years ago as a puppy when we first brought her home. She was running around playing and ran right into the bed post in my room. Of course she stayed hiding under the bed after that and I had to crawl under there and very carefully take her out and for a few weeks after she hid in her crate a lot. That was the first thing I thought might have been wrong with her, that was why we went to the vet immediately. The vet said she is very healthy. We pride ourselves in taking good care of our pets. Yearly vet visits is not just for shots but for thorough check ups. We made sure we got a second opinion and that was when the vet suggested that is was behavioral or environmental.
I am going to work on keeping them apart when we are gone. Last night my daughter had a double-header softball game and we took Macy with us, it seemed to really cheer her up! I will keep everyone posted.
Thanks again for the help.
Jen
JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/06/2008 8:04 AM  

I posted the most recent picture I could find with my profile. It does not show up on the forum. Not sure what to do about that. My husband had a stroke in December and as you can see in the photo, the girls were a big part of his recovery! 

Jen

buttonbutt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/06/2008 9:37 AM  

OMG I see you're in Leavenworth!  My Dad was Air Force teaching air strategy/tactics at the Army Command & Staff college at Ft. Leavenworth when I was in 9-11th grades!  Attended Patton JHS on post and LHS downtown!  Wow!  Small world.  I LOVED it there!  And my Mom lilves in San Antonio!  Truly a small world. 

 

 


Peggy
Mom to Button & Zipper
My sweet RatTexans
JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/07/2008 9:54 AM  

It is a small world. My husband is attending CGSC here at Fort Leavenworth.  We are going to Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio. My kids attend Lansing Schools, we live off post.

Jen

buttonbutt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/12/2008 10:59 AM  

Check your PM's Jen. 


Peggy
Mom to Button & Zipper
My sweet RatTexans
JenLa73


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 9:56 AM  
Just to update all the nice people who have helped with their suggestions, Macy seems to be feeling better. We have been separating the two for a while now. We tried two crates, however Macy did not like it and cried a lot. I have been watching them both A LOT lately and I think that they are both trying to alpha each other and possibley Cali just did not go for it and beat up Macy one time. Not sure, but I do not think Macy is the shrinking violet that I thought she was. However we are keeping them apart more and loving on the both and when we catch it, stopping the aggressive behavior. We left the new crate out and the door is always open, so if either of them needs their own safe spot they have it. We have not put Macy back in it by herself, but if things get bad again, we might try it again to protect the one who is getting the beating, from the other. They are, afterall sisters and I am sure they get sick of one another like we humans do. I feel much better knowing that there are such nice people out there who take the time to read and give a little advice.
Thank you again. I will keep everyone posted on the progress.
Jennifer
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
05/13/2008 10:02 AM  
Sounds like you are on the right track. Keep us posted!

Sarah



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