I recieved this by email the other day and thought it was interesting.  There is a link to the actual city ordinance.  This ordinance makes it illigal to own an unaltered dog or cat that is 4 months old or older,  There is some exemptions for dogs being shown or that are competing in working or obedience classes. There is also an exemption for working and service dogs. You may get an exemption for a dog in training for any of these things as well. The way to get an exemption is to apply with the city and pay for a permit that you must renew annually.  I was wondering how it's working if some of our California Rattie people could reply, and what the rest of you thought about this ordinance..

Concerned Dog Owners of California March 13, 2008 LOS ANGELES MOVES TO SPREAD THE WORD NATIONALLY HSUS and PETCO Attend The Signing Party CITIES ARE GATHERING DOG CLUB DIRECTORIES

The Mandatory Spay and Neuter at Four Months Law (Ordinance No. 179615) is spreading across the country according to Los Angeles Animal Services Director Ed Boks.  At an Animal Commission meeting on March 10th Boks announced they were getting calls from all over the United States from officials anxious to put this "innovative and wildly popular law" into effect in their cities. At a gala signing party Los Angeles officials were joined by HSUS President Wayne Pacelle and PETCO Foundation President Paul Jolly who flew in for the event.  We have a good start on raising the required funds for the CDOC-ACTION court challenge to the Los Angeles law.  There have been some very generous donations.  But much more is needed.  Time after time we dog owners have just been silent in the face of laws that hurt our dogs, hurt their health and erode the rights of people to own dogs.  The extremists are betting in the end we will go mutter and then go away again.  Help us quickly fund this challenge so that we can turn our efforts to the other things that matter to us; supporting positive legislation in Sacramento, educating on voluntary spay and neuter and bringing awareness to other dog issues. The lawsuit is being funded through CDOC-ACTION, a 501(c)4.  The lawfirm is Roberti Jensen.  The Officers and Directors of CDOC-ACTION for the most part mirror those in Concerned Dog Owners of California.  We anticipate the costs will be at least $100,000.  Again, this means 1000 people giving $100 or more.  We know the economy is an issue so if you can't personally give $100, join with three friends and each give $25.  Join ten friends and each give $10.00.  Forward this email and write to people across the country.  Because it is likely that someone in their city is about to get a package from Los Angeles Animal Services with the blueprint for passing this legislation in their city.  Do not just read this email and assume someone else will do it. So please open your checkbooks and your rolodex and start making calls to help us raise this money.  Credit card and Paypal payments can be made at www.cdocaction. org.  The outcome of this challenge in the courts will have an impact far beyond Los Angeles and California.  For all of you who have written and said someone should go to court, we are and now is the time to contribute. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL     A CHALLENGE TO KENNEL CLUBS MATCH THE DONATION OF CABRILLO KENNEL CLUB Cabrillo Kennel Club, which is not a Los Angeles based Club, made a donation of $2500 toward the cost of this lawsuit.  This is in addition to the monies they have given CDOC, NAIA and PetPAC during the last year to fight AB1634. They feel that Los Angeles is the battleground and they have stepped up to be a part of the team.  And they are challenging other Clubs to dig deep and help as well. The issue is not whether some show people may qualify under the ever shifting "exemptions. " With this Ordinance, the City knowingly traded away the health of dogs owned by the average pet owner to pacify Animal Rights extremists and to try and revive AB1634. Show them it will not work.   DOG CLUB DIRECTORIES ARE THE NEW ENFORCEMENT TOOL Some people have assumed that since new laws offer some exemptions - for the time being - for people who show dogs, they will not be affected.  Responsible people who breed as well as show are more concerned about the welfare of the dogs as a whole.  To demonstrate the ability to get an exemption for your show dog, some California cities are asking that people seeking to license their intact dogs provide a copy of a Dog Club Directory with their name in it as evidence.  And of course, that gives the enforcement body an up-to-date list of all the other people they can go after. It's important to remember these laws are being passed as ordinances which will generate revenue very quickly for the municipalities passin them.  That means active enforcement against people who can be easily identified, who live in neighborhoods where it is safe for enforcement people to travel and who are likely to have the money to pay huge licensing differentials and fines. We would urge dog clubs to immediately issue membership cards so their members are not forced to turn over information on the entire club to get an exemption.  And please write to the AKC and urge them to abandon the requirement for addresses in the dog show catalogs.  Animal control groups know responsible dog people are not the problem.  But they have promised lots of monies to their cities and we are the people who are easiest to find.   HOW CAN YOU HELP US RAISE MONEY In addition to your personal donation, here are some other ideas for raising money for the court challenge.  Put a link to Concerned Dog Owners of California (www.cdoca.org) and CDOC-ACTION (www.cdocaction. org) on your personal and Club websites. Hold a match in your area and contribute the funds to CDOC-ACTION.  We will send you materials for donations. Ask your local Kennel Club to let you have a table at the next show, agility trial or obedience trial with materials and donation boxes for this.  Go to your local dog park and talk to people about the health problems when sterilization is mandated by the government at 16 weeks.  Take information to your local groomers and independent pet stores. Forward information on this law to all the puppy people you know. Talk to your veterinarian about puting up posters in their office.  Most knowledgeable veterinarians are reluctant to sterilize a 16 weeks old puppy. Aks Clubs that you belong to to make a contribution. Visit dog event vendors and ask them for donations.  Contact us and we will send you supplies. Put brief information about this legislation with a link to CDOC-ACTION in the signature block on your email. Call your local radio and TV stations and make them aware of these laws, and the health consequences.

It's LA City only and just started.

The problem out here is that we have few low cost S/N clinics and a spay can run over $300 in some places. My county does not even have a county run clinic, the insurance rates are too high here.

AB1634 will come around again this year, if it passes other states will follow.

"I think if this really worked and really benefitted the dog and cat population, then lawmakers wouldn't be as focused on the revenue aspect of this as they. are. In theory this is a big step for animal rights, but many times when good theories are placed in the hands or the government, bad things happen and the original purpose gets skewed. "

Well said Maggie and this was my point.  Theory is good, but the minds that would have to be behind it would have to be good too.  If it worked the way it should and not as a money making scheme then that is when I would be all for it.

-----Original Message-----
> From: CApetlaw@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CApetlaw@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Nikki Litwin
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:29 PM
> To: LetsDiscussJudging
> Cc: sHOWDOGS-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: [CApetlaw] a heads up on how the news laws will affect even
> those who thought it wouldn't
> 
> 
> just got 2 phone calls today. ..I am Los Angeles
> One was from a friend who has a neighbor who got a letter from 
> animal control stating that he must show proof that his 14 YEAR 
> old dog was spayed. If not, he would be fined. This is an older 
> man who does not even remember where he got the dog from, let 
> alone who spayed her. He is so afraid now that the government is 
> going to come take his beloved dog away from him. 
> Another call from a distraught client who has a dog on seizure 
> medication and finally has her under control. Since the vets 
> believe that her problem is vaccine induced, she has in the past 
> gotten an exemption for a rabies vaccine from the vet and sent 
> that in with her license to the city. This year, they informed 
> her that they would no longer accept letters from vets exempting 
> dogs from rabies vaccines for any reason. She would either have 
> to risk her dog's life and get the shot or be forced to have her 
> house become a quarantine area and her dog never allowed to leave 
> the property and be locked away when anyone came over. When she 
> called the health department to try to go over the animal 
> licensing department, they said the same thing. Her vet has also 
> had several clients call and tell them the same story. The vet is 
> going to try to see if the animal control will take a titer and 
> if not, they have no choice but to give the dog the shot 
> (although they said they will give her a half dose).
> Already the effects of these laws are showing up with the people 
> who already follow the law and are now afraid of their animals 
> being taken away from them or being put at risk. No wonder people 
> go underground to try to avoid things like this
> Nikki
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Here is another

I have been given permission to forward this. This just goes to show how the exemption for show dogs  is not really going to keep anyone safe.
Again, this is from someone who lives in Los Angeles
The second dog is a dog who is currently being trained for performance events and is being specialed in the conformation ring
Nikki



Nikki -
I just went through the licensing of my older boy Harley.

Harley turns 11 this month and his 3 year rabies shot is due by April 10th, I had his titers test done in January. I got a notice from LA County Animal Services saying that Harley's license which I just renewed in February will expire on April 10th unless he gets a new rabies shot. When I called my local shelter they gave me the run around about how titers would be accepted but a letter from the Vet would not. When I sent in mt paperwork, I got a letter back saying that Titers was not acceptable but a letter from my Vet would be.

I decided it would be harder to brush me off if I went in person. I brought everything with me, the original letter saying I needed to renew, the Vet letter saying he was too old for rabies, the Titers result and both letters from Animal Services. I showed up and showed them the renewal letter and then the letter from the Vet saying Harley was too old for a rabies shot. They looked at the letter, made a copy of it and asked for a $15 payment to renew his license. Out the door in under 15 minutes.

I would advise that your neighbor go to his nearest Shelter and take any paperwork that he has from his Vet on the spay status and a letter saying why the dog should not get another test. It is much harder to dismiss someone in person.

On a side note, I got Pax's license renewed at the same time. They told me that I could not get an intact license because Pax did not have a letter from the Vet giving him a 60 day exemption. I showed them Pax's last entry from Bradshaw and they hemmed and hawed. I finally asked to speak to the Supervisor and he gave me the license. He did tell me that it would not be this easy next year, that due to the new Ordinance I would have to fill out several forms, have proof of why I am not neutering and a letter from my Vet. Plus my name and the dog's name would be in a "special" intact database and I should be prepared to have an Animal Control officer visit my house.

Karen

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yea! I just got a notice yeaterday to buy a licence for Shamus from the "Yuba County Sheriff'sAnimal Care Services"And the only way I can explain why I got this is when he got neuter'd? now I have to send PROOF of rabies,neuter,and 10 $ a year! 24$ if he is not neutered! WOW! that means EVERYBODY! if suppose to get this,or 18$ penalty after 4/19! what is this money for exactley??? dog parks (really)! Pit bull disposil! more like!)they are killing them at the shelters! no one wants them but they pick up tons a week! Or maybe its to drive around a pick up the PITS! that makes since! right?All by the way are NOT FIXED! and toment our neighbors!and backyard dogs!I have never even SEEN at tag of ANY KIND! on these dogs! where as mine have theses on! and don't run the streets! as you can tell I"M MAD AS HELL!

oh! I didn't mention that sacramento! is suppose to do the same thing!well see how they inforce it! And  ALL Pits MUST be fixed NO EXCEMTIONS!well see.....

I live right outside of Sac and have not heard of this. AB861 did not pass.  Now Dallas is passing something like this.

yea me too marysville! and it was on the news something about the S.p.c.a. was behind it! I think it good! I still don't know why I was SELECTED to get a licence even though I didn't get a letter for my other 2! that sneekey!I didn't her about dallas, my daughter is in denton I'll ask her about that...

The Sacramento SPCA are not bad folks and I get their nesletters. Got a few fund raisers coming up with them. They have a very low cost s/n clinic.

You may be thinking of a free s/n for pitty type dogs that will be offered like they do over in the Bay. Lots of AmStaf and APBT folks in Sac including the Top APBT in the country in 2006. A REAL APBT is nice dog, just a large terrier. The ones the news folks shove in our faces is usally a Bully/Pitt mix.

The American Pit Bull Terrier is one of the most widley used service dogs, bet you the new folks will never report that. We are lucky, we get to see the best of the best at UKC shows. Most of them carry a AKC CGC and many are thearpy dogs also.

not saying there BAD at all! I agree with them! the Gang-stylePITs are OUT of CONTROL! there REALLY bad here In marysville! I can't even walk my boys outside they will rush out from the front door or broken fences and attack! I saw one last night go after my neighbors rat! at least he was behind his  chain link fence! and safe! but they couldn't catch the PITT for a while!! it was scary!The drugs are so bad here lots have um "just to EAT PEOPLE!"nobody goes outside with there pets at all!And ALL of them are stud dogs too!its getting bad!these aren't show dogs!I don't know what its coming too...

It's the owners that are the problem and the breeders of mix breed bully type dogs. pottymouth rap music videos! Do not blame the breed for the deed! The real sad thing is that animal control can't tell the diffrence in the breeds. If you see a pitty looking dog that is built real big it is not a true pit bull, it is a mix breed.

One of my RBR fosters was a fight bait dog. Now she rides around the country in a 40' bus.

OMG is RIGHT!there are at least 6 I've seen they run them on bikes at night when I would take mine out to walk,(I won't even try it!)you never know when you'll see them after the storms in fed. peoples fence sare bad(already were bad)you can here them barking when your outside you just know there there WAITING! now I lucky I have a great back yard(and fence)we stay here! i miss our walks... and as you say you can't trust the parks either!!! they take them EVEN THERE!

Can a moderator resize this so it can be read on one page? Instead of having to try to go all the way across the screen? I'm sure there is much to be learned here.

With show Rat Terriers you may show them as pups then do the big wait till they are two so you can have them tested. Also you can't show till they are 6 months. They must count the NLC or "Fun Matches". Lake County does not even recognize UKC breeds. Loyd Levine is an idiot, AB1634 is a way to get his name in the papers. He is still trying to cover up the bill he tried about banning reg. light bulbs in California. His new kick is to ban Nuclear Plants.


The real problem with doing anything like this in California is that the money collected will NEVER get where it's needed. The overhead required will allow maybe 10% to trickle down, just look at our lottery.