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alice4512


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/31/2007 8:25 AM  

So we had a whole houseful of people yesterday and the dogs were very well behaved all day as hectic as it was. As it finally settled down a friend of ours, who Alice has not met yet, got on the floor to her and held her in his lap. She was okay for about a second but I could tell she didn't like it, I told him she wasnt' looking to comfortable and he might want to let her go. He said "she is so cute, I just want to cuddle her" and wrapped his arms around her and went to kiss her and she snapped at him. Well he let her go, I warned him.

That is not my concern, so everyone left and we were laying on the couch and I had Alice in front of me and I went down to kiss her little head and she growled and snapped at ME!! Well off the couch from me she went with a firm NO, and I watched her go into Fred's cage and come out, then she jumped on the other couch with Guy but didn't lay down and tried to come back up with me and I told her no again.  Then she laid on floor by herself and looked so pathetic I let her come back up with me and everything was okay. Was the excitement of the day to much for her, I don't think non aggressive dogs become aggressive right? I am not sure how to take this..........


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/31/2007 8:32 AM  
Vino has done that before....mostly with kids who won't leave him alone. He is timid around "people", mainly kids that fixate on him. Take for instance my niece, she ignores him completely, and occasionally will approach him and pet him. He has NEVER snapped at her, but I think he sees her as part of our pack. Other kids that he doesn't know, he is unpredictable, so I warn them to stay away from him...unless he approaches them of course. He doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body, but if he doesn't want someone in his face, he will let them know. He has never broken anyone's skin, it's more like a warning snap.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/31/2007 8:32 AM  

ANY dog regardless of how well trained or how submissive, can become aggressive. First of all, your guest was way out of line and that probably set the stage for what happened with you. It could have been that Alice was tired from the day's activities and simply wanted to be left alone. Oftentimes, after a full day, I will crate my dogs to allow them (to "force" them) to have some down/alone time. Dogs need this, and the only they have of communicating "I want some alone time right now" is by either walking away (avoidance) or snapping. This is totally natural behavior for them, although it's NOT acceptable behavior to us.  (by the way... VERY few bites are not preceded by a growl... it's their way of warning).

There would have been several ways to handle the situation correctly. The method you chose is acceptable... it worked... and I think Alice got the message.

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/31/2007 8:32 AM  
Your dogs were overwhelmed, tried to be good all day, then couldn't take any cuddling last night. You were seeing a level of uncomfortableness in Fred and Alice had too much of the day too. They just needed to be left alone or put up in their crates, moved to a quiet room, etc. I think this was an isolated thing but now you know that in the future, to give them a safe place if you have a house full of people. I just read all about this exact situation in "For the Love of a Dog". I am sorry this happened and I hope things are back to normal again today.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/31/2007 8:36 AM  
Just to throw in my two cents worth - sounds like she just had too much excitement for the day...maybe not an excuse to snap but still. And the guy who wrapped his arms around her - to her that meant that he was dominating her and not letting her go (I know he meant well)....there's a lot on this in The Other End of the Leash Book about body language. I realize YOU know this but it's amazing the number of people out there who don't understand this...I would never go up to a new dog and wrap my arms around them, it's asking for trouble.


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rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/31/2007 8:38 AM  
It's important to "read" your dog's language. You surely can tell if they are tired from a full day of activity. If they are tired... situations such as this are more likely to occur. It's best to do what you can do prevent these types of situations rather than dealing with the aftermath of them... such as what happened in your situation.

There are times it's best to give our beloved dogs their space. One... when they are eating or chewing on a bone-type of thing... and two... when they are tired and don't want to be messed with. You can tell when your dogs are tired.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/31/2007 8:39 AM  
Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 12/31/2007 8:36 AM
Just to throw in my two cents worth - sounds like she just had too much excitement for the day...maybe not an excuse to snap but still. And the guy who wrapped his arms around her - to her that meant that he was dominating her and not letting her go (I know he meant well)....there's a lot on this in The Other End of the Leash Book about body language. I realize YOU know this but it's amazing the number of people out there who don't understand this...I would never go up to a new dog and wrap my arms around them, it's asking for trouble.

AMEN !!

alice4512


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/31/2007 8:45 AM  

I could tell from Alice's body language that she wasn't liking it, which is why I told him he should leave her be, I understand why she reacted to him. It was with me that I had the concern. I KNOW they were exhausted tired. I was going to put them upstairs by themselves but they were doing so good and having so much fun running and playing I didn't think I needed to. Live and Learn. I know now to make sure to force them into downtime on such exciting days. I think it was a lot in one day for them and today they are alone all day while we are at work to rest and tonight we are having a pajama dinner party just Guy, me and the dogs. Very mellow. Hopefully things with her will be back to normal because I don't want her to think it's okay to snap, especially at us. She did more than growl she snapped and caught me too, nothing bad but enough to get kicked off the couch.


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/31/2007 8:54 AM  
Don't feel like the lone ranger.... we ALL live and learn through trial and error many times! My dad always said... "hindsight is 20/20" ! LOL (so true, isn't it?)
mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/31/2007 8:56 AM  
Yeah, lesson learned. I'm glad it wasn't a serious bite. These little dogs can only handle so much. I can see it in mine if I have a house full of kids. They do have fun running around and playing but there's a limit. I'm glad you guys are having a down day.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

alice4512


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/31/2007 9:00 AM  

Thanks, I actually feel better knowing she was tired. For all the books I have read and studied I didn't realize they snap and grown out of tiredness as well. I never want to have aggressive dogs and I really in my heart don't think she is one. I think it was one day and I have myself to blame for my part. Thank you all,  this site really does help in understanding our dogs. I have to go get the books you are all reading too, I am reading Candace Bushell's 4 Blondes right now but after this one I am going to pick up one of those next.


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue
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