tishmeg_2006

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| 01/19/2008 7:50 PM |
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My fiance and I just bought a little Rat Terrier from a pet shop the day after Christmas. He was a little older, but I couldn't resist. He was born September 10th. He was very hesitant around everything when we brought him home. Now our vet reassured us that this was fairly common as he's in a new enviornment and around new unknown people. He's warmed up to me and I have no problems with him. His toilet training is going great and we're enrolling him into puppy preschool in Feb. The problem I have is that he still seemed absolutely terrified of my fiance. He isn't violent with him by any means and has been trying to have him warm up to him by giving treats and trying to encourage playing. Nothing has really worked. I'm not sure if it's just because he's not home as often as I am or what. But I would love some input and help. It's very important to me that our puppy warms up to my fiance. I don't want our puppy to live in fear and I want the two of them develop a good relationship. Anyhow, anything would greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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Jim

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| 01/19/2008 8:08 PM |
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He is old enough to have had a bad experience at the hands of a male. Possibly an employee at the pet store or prior to arriving at the pet store. If that is the case, it will just take time and patience. You fiance needs to be calm and quiet around the pup. Your efforts with the playing and the treats are good steps. He should also do the feeding when possible. Other things he can do is quietly lie on the floor and try to get the pup to come to him for some attention. Lots of stroking and soft kind words. It will just take time but the pup should come around. Three weeks is not long enough to break down a fear from a bad experience. |
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buttonbutt

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| 01/19/2008 8:22 PM |
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Welcome to the site and congrats on the new little rattie! I live in Texas with two mini females, Button and Zipper. Jim gave you some good advice. I would also add that if the dog has issues due to a male in his past, it's important for the pup to not perceive him as agressive. One thing dogs see as aggressive behavior is bending or hovering over them (something people often do to new puppies on the floor). Be sure he either stands, sits, is on his knees erect or laying down around the pup for awhile. No sudden movements around the puppy either might help if he's nervous around your fiance. Have the fiance avoid staring at the puppy or making prolonged eye contact with the puppy, another thing dogs do before fighting. Happy faces and happy voices are the rule of thumb around an insecure pup.
You'll love this place. Lots of great people and advice. We love pics and videos, too.  |
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maggiew607

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| 01/19/2008 8:24 PM |
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| I agree with Jim, it is very possible that this puppy had been traumatized in the few months he has been in the pet store. Puppies that are in that kind of enviroment are exposed to all types of unwanted stimuli and there is no telling who or what the puppy has been exposed to. What I can tell you is continue to have your fiance giving all of the treats and doing the feedings if possible and also make sure that he does not raise his voice around the dog. Of you are not already doing so, make sure that you use positive reinforcement only and that will also help the dog settle into your household. Sometimes it just takes dogs longer to adjust to certain people or to become confident in your love and care to be more confident with the people around you. You'll get there, just don't give up on the dog or your fiance and their bonding, It may take longer than you would like but I think eventually the dog will come around. My puppy and my boyfriend were not instant best friends but now she loves him much more than she does me. Also one of our other members had a similar problems with her rescue rattie and things have totally turned around for the best. Just have patience and make sure the pup feels as secure as he can in your home and hopefully she will warm up quickly to your fiance. |
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**Maggie, Mom to CoCo and Angus**
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tishmeg_2006

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| 01/20/2008 8:40 AM |
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| I just wanted to thank you all for the advice. I will pass it on and be patient! |
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Jim

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| 01/20/2008 9:49 AM |
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Posted By tishmeg_2006 on 01/20/2008 8:40 AM
I just wanted to thank you all for the advice. I will pass it on and be patient!
You are very welcome, but you have forgotten one thing. We love pictures. So post up some pics as soon as possible!
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LadyLes

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| 01/20/2008 3:01 PM |
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| I had this same problem when Mocha, our rescue came home. She was terrified of my husband and would growl and run away from him. So, everything good came from him affection, treats, food, walks, everything. Does he walk him? That is an excellent bonding ritual for dogs. My husband did all of the walking. It was difficult at first, he practically had to drag her out of the driveway, but after a couple of times, she turned the corner. Also, I did not give her affection while he was around, and didn't allow her to sit with me in my lap while he was around. That forced her to bond with him. It took lots of patience and even tears, but after about 2 months, she came around. Now, she is in LOVE!! |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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LadyLes

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| 01/20/2008 7:59 PM |
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| I also want to let you know if I can help in any way I am available. I am in school, so not able to be here all of the time, but I try to check in at least once a day. PM me and I would be glad to give you my email address or cell phone number if you need some advice or support. Fearful dogs take a lot of patience. |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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Rowdy's Mom

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| 01/20/2008 9:46 PM |
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| Like Ashley, I adopted a ratie with some fear issues. Rowdy came from a local shelter and in his paperwork, it was disclosed that his first owners were "strict disciplinarians". I'm not sure what happened with the discipline, but Rowdy is very hesitant around men. You can't raise your voice with him and I believe he may have been hit with a belt before. (He was terrified of my BF's belt, and, after a year and a half, he is still a little nervous when James takes his belt off.) It took several months for Rowdy to "like" James and even up to a year for a good bond to form. On the first day home, Rowdy even snapped at James. We've had Rowdy for a year and a half now, and he adores James. I am his favorite, but he love playing with James. Be patient. You've got good advice on here. It will take time and patience, but he will warm up to your fiance. |
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~Chrys~ Mom to Rowdy, Schatzi (shephard mix), and Sam (lab mix) http://www.myspace.com/rowdyluvsschatzi
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tishmeg_2006

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| 01/23/2008 11:15 AM |
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| I just wanted to let you all know that my fiance and my efforts are showing even in the last few days. I combined all of your guys' information and it is working. Matt is the one who feeds him and gives him treats when he's home. He also takes him out. I have been doing my best to give no attention when Matt's hom. It's very hard, you were right LadyLes. This morning while Matt (my fiance) was getting ready for work Milo (my puppy) actually ran up to him with no shaking and no hesitation. Though he ran right away again, it's still very rewarding and encouraging. I just wanted to thank you all for your advice. It's wonderful that there's something like this out here. For those of you who want pictures, they're coming I promise! I have them, I just need to get the time to upload them. Anyhow, once again, thanks! |
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PamWh

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| 01/23/2008 11:20 AM |
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| I'm so glad things are looking better between Milo and Matt. Welcome to the site! |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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alice4512

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| 01/23/2008 11:23 AM |
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UGH, I don't want to be the one to post this but puppies bought at pet stores are PUPPY MILL DOGS. Most come with issues, some serious. Do some research on puppy mills and you will find that the MAJORITY that come from there have deep rooted issues. I am not saying this is the case but it may be. I know they all need homes but when you buy from these stores you are supporting puppy mills.
http://www.stoppuppymills.org/ |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 01/23/2008 11:25 AM |
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| That's awesome! We love to hear about success stories. It takes a lot of work but it WILL pay off! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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mama2jerry

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| 01/23/2008 11:28 AM |
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| I'm glad things are working out so well! Darby was also very hesitant and nervous around Dan when we first got her. |
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Sarah
....and mama to Darby too!
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DaisysMom

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| 01/23/2008 12:19 PM |
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I am so, so glad to hear things are progressing nicely!!!! Thanks for keeping us posted. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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tishmeg_2006

 Rattie

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| 01/23/2008 5:52 PM |
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Hi Alice, I do know this now. I didn't realize it until AFTER I had already got my puppy. I do know about them now though. I have a friend who's very educated on the matter and what happens there infuriates. But that could be why he has the problems he has. You never know. |
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tishmeg_2006

 Rattie

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| 01/23/2008 5:57 PM |
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| All those wanting to see pictures of my baby Milo, I have posted them under Pictures: ratties and the title is My Baby Milo. |
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Azrats

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| 01/23/2008 6:13 PM |
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| Minnie had major fear issues, and she couldn't stand new people. She'd even pee on me, she had break downs she couldn't be walked without freaking out. Just this weekend Minnie was approved to go to nursing homes! She passed a test where she had to not only greet new people but stay away from me for 3 minutes without seeing me. Don't give up! I'm availble for advice and support. Timid dogs need a whole different training style. |
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And as we lie beneath the stars We realize how small we are If they could love like you and me Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper |
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tishmeg_2006

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| 01/23/2008 6:40 PM |
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Wow! How great that must have felt when she was able to not only go out but to nursing homes! How did you do it? Anything you can add? |
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tishmeg_2006

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| 01/23/2008 6:40 PM |
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Wow! How great that must have felt when she was able to not only go out but to nursing homes! How did you do it? Anything you can add? |
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LadyLes

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| 02/01/2008 7:48 PM |
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Tish, Sorry that I haven't been around in a while...vacation. Anyway, glad to hear that things are improving for you with Milo. Funny, since we have been home, Mocha has been all over Nathan. It is a huge difference. |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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